A Few Minutes With... Episode 5 | College of Applied Health Sciences at Illinois
Hello. This is Vince Lara Media Relations Specialist, at the College of Applied Health Sciences at. The University of, Illinois today. I spend a few minutes with John Welty Peachy associate, professor in the recreation sport and tourism department, at AHS let me ask you what so what, inspired you to study in your area of research I. Was. Working in. No. Sport. International. Sport. And. Became, really interested. In. Sport. 40 though the. Use of sport for social. Goods for change for development purposes is, somewhere. Right. In. Also. Becoming just just very very interested in leadership and management support, based entities, how. We do that we can improve that. So. Is doing that for a while and. Have. Even. A greater impact. The. Stimulus for my research which is really. A lot in sport for development, some. Sport, development so development. Through sport or development. Who. Are you working for enough good net capacity are you working for the USOC you looking, for. Okay. Okay. Okay. And so, when you talk about sport. For development working. In NACA pack before you got back into academia so. Tell me a little bit about that, what. Sport for development is, sport. For development would, be. Creating. Sport, based programs. Linked. To education, and. Other types, of activities. That would. Target a certain population, of individuals. Can, youth children, adults to. Help them though, their lives or help communities. You. Know their, community spheres, now. Give you an example one of the organization's I work with I've, been working with for quite some time is called streets. Are kusa streets. At the USA as a mission, to use. A sports soccer to, help individuals. Suffering from homelessness, make. Positive changes, in their lives they. Have. Teams. In 22 cities in the United States one in Chicago and. So our research team has worked with them with their evaluation, for nine. Years but, their. Mission the. Way they go about it is that sport is a vehicle. For change packaged, with, education. Relationship. Building quality, coaches. Quality. Volunteers. Using. Sport as a hook to. Attract. Individuals, to. The program. Right. And. Then, leveraging. That to connect, them to other types, of social services, mmm, that, can help them to make. A more sustainable difference, in their lives through no job training or. Finding. And being able to hold, a job to. To affordable, housing. That. Sport being that vehicle, to begin to provide. Some healing provide, some confidence. Self-esteem. Sort. Of foundations. That we all need in order to be able to make, those positive changes mm-hmm. And that way supporting sort of the hook to. Write to attract. Individuals, in, who. In that case were very shy about. Very. Turned off by. Clinical. Social. Services, of being, poked and prodded analyzed, that's what we found. And. They say I don't want to have any part of that anymore and then they learn about soccer oh yeah. That's, right, I play. I can do that. So. Have a good time and start learning to know the coaches, and the volunteers. Start. To just. Do, something positive, mm-hmm, it's through that sustained, activity every time where once. Trust is built. Relationships. Are, formed, they. Might. What. If we sit down and work on your resume not. Be considered. Trust. Let's do this trust right. Trust. Let, us say that the. Relationships, that are built between the participants, and the coaches or the participants, and volunteers or. The leaders are, almost more important than the support itself right what's, important sure I it's, how it's done you mentioned, your parents being social justice, I don't want to say warriors but but involved, in social justice is that how you first made the link between sport.
And. And. Development. And it was probably in college okay I went to the small. NAIA. School. Which. Is also. Very. Socially. Focused. And, especially justice, focused and okay and so through, know playing, sports and, running and cycling. But. Also learning. And being inspired by professors. And colleagues. Peers. Mm-hmm, had that social justice mindset. You. Know I think the first thing I did was, that. Really got me inspired was they're stupid and we, graduated. From college and a buddy, who's. We. Well, what could we do with a running not, for social change so, we. Pitch this idea to, to, some sponsors, and such and we ended up. Hmm. And so we ended up taking. Six months and, running. 4,000, miles Wow from. Through. A very circuitous route, from from, Portland, Oregon to. Boston okay Wow. Going. Up and down and around Crescent, no I think speaking along the way mmm communities. And high scores in churches. Media. And such and using. That. Notoriety. Or that sport. There that's a vehicle to, begin. To call attention to the plight of the homeless in danger and so we can. We raise money along, the way to. Support some agencies, that we identified, that were working with individuals. Mm-hmm so, I think that, college was where I started to. Write. And got this stupid idea to do. This. Tribulations. And. That kind of just. 22. Okay. Started. To really take hold for me do Kenai one what year was that because I'm do you remember Terry Fox man okay, okay, yeah that was 1989, okay so a few years after Terry's yeah yeah. Absolutely. MPT, correct. Very. Inspired right figure well if he could do it. Yes. We can certainly do with two right. Doesn't. Necessarily, correlate right, right. Challenges, you know I'm curious about how do you make how do you make the the outreach, when, you're when, you're let's, say you're starting to soccer program, so, one. Of the things that you have to do from a ground roots level grassroots, level to reach out to the people who are, your target audience what. What what are the things you need to do yeah we have their partners okay you have to have good partners, which. Is. You. Have to identify agencies. To, work with it's very very hard to, come. In with an idea and, launch, it without, working. With others, institutions. And agencies so. I think the organizations, that are very successful in.
Using. Support for social change have, developed, very strong linkages, and partnerships, in the community and. It's also very important, that the. Community is involved in the planning and design of the program so. Why, the problems that we've had in. Support for development historically. Has been what. I call a very neo-colonial. Approach where, these. Ideas, germinate. In, the. Ivory tower with. Individuals, who have a passion for you some support for social good sure we think we know how to do it best right and then we're going to design this program and take it someplace in. Our city another. Country sure we often think of that for. Coming. In for. A couple weeks and leave right, without, a sustainable, plan and middle. Now. We do that much much better now that. Neo-colonial. Roots in. Development, and support for development followed so really. Was. A struggle. So. What we, all right now I was saying well that's really not how you do it, it's. If we were wanting to help a community it's. Working. With them to help develop, mmm-hmm. Involving. Them and developing, the types of programs and, if it's work you know what's, going to work in the right. What's, feasible. Involving. The Kolstad quarters and the designing and plan. Not. Just coming in on a white horse right. Say. Hey we have this great program we're, going to develop you. Sure. So. I think to, answer your question it's, it's really, having, to spend time. Being. In the field developing. Partnerships, getting. Communities. Not. Just flying in. Relationships. That's. Really what you have to do to have. A program that's going to be sustainable, over time, because. Ultimately, you. Want to transition, any. Leading, of the program, from. Yourself or your group to. Right. Answer a sustainability, comes about it's. Building. That capacity. Through. Resourcing. Through training, through. Evaluation. Which, is. Eventually. They can. Write. And. Still. Be a support. At. This point are. You finding that communities, are reaching out more to you or that you are targeting communities a, lot of times they reach out okay, in case you. It's. I think as you have. Done work in it and. At. Least have. Done. Ok I guess. These. Can have organizations, or such come come come, to us which is great looking. For particularly evaluation, help, mm-hm against where a lot of. Nonprofits. And sporting, developments struggle a bit is how do we do, an effective, evaluation. As often they have to do so for funders sure cuz funders require, how. Do we do it long term how do we measure what we need to measure how do, we have we, they're.
Very Much very, very very good at the practice. And. Sometimes just resources they don't have to have an evaluation experience. Some. Of the bigger ones do to. Play, up. To us. Of. Course, but. Smaller organisations. That maybe have two or three employees. Volunteers. Just. During. The program that meeting the needs of. Individuals. And the program. They. Want to do it they need to but. It's hard to hear so. Sometimes. They come in too little money some way or it's a funder that will help fund some evaluation, for them and. Then I think that's where we can form a nice academic. Practitioner. Partnerships, perfect. Development, that's, when we. Can. Partner with an organization. To. Build that capacity and. Of course the scholars we're able to publish. Absolutely. The. Sport of. It you mentioned that I. Understand. The sport. Fortunately. In the. Coaches, are. Sure, to identifying, talent, and then. Those, that have that time being, able to have the channels, where they. Can't move towards. If. It's. Only, 0.01%. Mm-hmm. What then are the sport. Or opportunities, for those that of course aren't going to go to the elite but how do we develop. Sport. So. Sport development is really about you. Know creating a pyramid, where community. Based sport is at the bottom has, to be big and strong sure, and then you have a funnel, towards elite, at the time right the, resources, have to be deployed, in such a way that. You're. Funding, the different levels but, also. Between. But. Also recognizing. That everybody. Sure. Nor is there a goal for that interesting. Okay so we have to recognize the sport development. You. Know for meant for most people it's about lifelong. Sport participation hmm. Wait. A minute play for, the Patriots who just won the Superbowl, but we love sport we, want to continue playing right. Away the opportunities, and, unfortunately. What happens is you. Take kids, and, you think of our sports system in the US and you, think of how we do support in high school. How. Many make the team what. Happens to those girls that don't. So. I mean so many are selected 50 try out 10. Make the team. Yeah, what. Happens to the other for you right how, do they play right, they love volleyball, didn't. Make the team mm-hmm, what. Opportunities. Have we created, in, our us in our available system, to allow these, girls to continue playing unfortunately. We don't do that well and. Thus you have this. Continuation, of a sport oh your, message in has been I'm, not good I'm. Cut. Right. The basketball right so the message is okay I'm not good. Trying. I'm not complaining, one where, I'm not good at volleyball so, I'm not, gonna play anymore so. What are the other opportunities, yeah. So it's it's looking at how we. Redesign. Think, about sport, and then. Looking even to to, support for development which is. Because. You, know we need, qualified. Coaches mm-hmm, just because, somebody's. Homeless. Loves. Playing soccer doesn't. Mean they all they care about is when, you get off the street they might want to improve their soccer skills, sure right. Just. Like everybody else right, once they see improvement. What. When, a participant, is done with the sport for development program. And. Now they're hooked on sucker how. Do they transition, into. It. Was necessary normal, but how they transition, into playing soccer elsewhere. Sure because, now they no. Longer homeless.
Got. A job. Off. The street. But. Now what are their opportunities for play and so there's a lot of kind of linkages, I think. Exciting. And. Opportunities, for us to do. The sport development. It's for, development, it's. Curious, about the the sport for development part, again said that what's the tracking process when you're following someone who's entered one of these sport for development programs. And into, you. Know what what the post life is, it's. Challenging. Because. There's. Organizations. Don't. Do as good a job as they shirt with. Is. Getting better so, the tracking progress is, process, is now you. Really try to, researchers. For. My relationship with individuals. Once. That trust is built between them. In you as a researcher they're. Going to be more comfortable sharing. Contact. Information, with you staying, in touch over time so in, order to do a longitudinal study, and, you want to go back know. Five years literature, in many ways you have the same time right. The. Organizations. Are doing better. For. Many years. After. Finding. In this is tough so, any. I think there's still a lot of challenges in that we're getting better at that so I think you know technology, certainly, helps sure. And organizations. Are realizing that. Because. This. It's. Hard sure after the camp. I'm Sudan. You. Know to. Stay. In touch to be able to go back and, find. Folks that were in your study 2-3 years later is just. Really. I. Imagined you know wanted to ask you the the back. When it was the USSR, it. Had a tremendous, reputation for, building these kind of grassroots programs, that funneled, kids into particular, sports, so. How do you think that the u.s. measures up in terms of that kind of sport, development. Among. Youth as, opposed to other countries in other countries doing it better is. The u.s. getting is as it improved. Come. To the class tonight okay. Oh. Interesting, I teach a class on sport development and. Chris talking about what, you're talking about is more of a centralized, versus, decentralized, courage. To, to support systems so we, generally associated, the USSR, in China. The communist. Bloc countries historically, with having a more centralized, government-funded. Approach. To to support development, right with all sports in the country we're in the u.s. is, more decentralized, we. Have a usoc, which. Is not a government, agency but it's set up by the US energy support act to. Receive support in the country but then it's very decentralized various. It's. One better than the other I. Can't. Say that that's the case because, you. See success with. The different approaches mm-hmm, I think it's context, specific, I think. We. Do talk about in a u.s. system that some. Perhaps. Some more centralization, would, help. Sure. Because we're. Very much a free market system. Through. The bad fragmentation. Sometimes. It's hard for talent. ID or, town good, time to. Take place or, if. Athletes, mature, at, a different level so. Instead of. Maturing. At age. Eight, or nine maybe. It's 14 or 15 right amidst them in. Our talent that be process. So. I think there's some things that we, can, learn from a more centralized, system, do, we want to copy. The. Approach. That Russia, takes or the China takes I don't think so but. I think there's aspects, that would. Improve, serve. An organization. All right the, various bodies. So. Some centralization. Of that, I. Wanted. To ask you about you. Mentioned in in some of your research how sport increases, social capital, can you, talk a little bit about that and how it can improve relations, and ethnically divided, communities, as well social. Capital being. Develop. Interest. Or a. Way. To actively. Participate in society. Through. The. Networks and trust that we have and giving back hmm, so, when Robert Putnam sort of, came. About with his concept of social capital it, was about that. We were very fragmented, in society, yours. In trust mm-hmm, that's we were very individualistic. In not giving. Back in, social, capital is about building. That trust those networks, and then that reciprocity, of wanting. To be engaged engage. Citizens to, help communities, to be active. Citizens. And, so. Sports. Role and that can. Be not. Always but can be if done well, providing. Trust. Or opportunities. Where Trust is developed, and, then. Providing. Linkages. Back into society for individuals, who are more marginalized.
They've. Been isolated say, we're homeless we're living on the streets, ability. To trust. We're. Just concerned about surviving. Sure on the street. Right. And, I, think. One eight one one quote I remember from a participant, in one of my studies. Who. Was homeless and, named soccer, and you he was at that he was 50, 52, 53 years old and. He. Said to me he said and he had been a participant. In street. Soccer for, two years okay, I was. Making these, changes in his life getting. Off the streets, getting. An apartment, job, and. What. Stood soccers done for me is. It's reconnected. Me to humanity, hmm. So. What's true suckers done for me is reconnected, me to humanity, I said, well that's a. Episode. That's exactly, what during. Social capitalism, down it's, connecting, people back into society. Where. They want to give back and so what you see then. Sometimes, a lot a lot of times with. Going. Through the program and, then they want to get back this. Great experience. And. It's really how social, capital is built many. Respects, a sport, can either that conduit. There's. Many many outcomes that sport, can target. And, programs. That. Work. At things like. Conflict. Resolution, and peace building. There's. There's any number of programs that I can think of that took, place or take place in Israel for instance with. You. Through pasta and Jewish. Work, I've done in Cyprus, with Greek and Turkish Cypriots. Northern. Ireland with Protestants. And Catholics, where, sport, is. Used. As a. Way. To. Work. Out some conflict, resolution, issues obviously. So. If you're bringing for. Instance past in hands and Jews together. To. Take part in sport you absolutely. Can't have Passons. Versus jerk juicer and, soccer, okay. You. Have to mix the teams okay because. That necessitates. Skilled. Leaders. And coaches who are trained and more than just soccer hmm, by a trained in conflict resolution, mediation. Because. Sure. I mean it's it's, inevitable it's never that late so a lot goes into your. Staffing. But. It's through, that. Learning, to know somebody. Who might have been your adversary, but now you have, common goals right, you're working towards something it's, physical, I need, to trust I'm. Going to trust you you're from the, other side of the tracks. Sure. But now we're playing on the same team I have to pass you the ball you have to pass me the ball it's. Just so simple things that begin, to, build. Trust and. Can start to erode. Some, of those dominant, logics, or stereotypes. About. People, who, are other different. From right. Support. Can be a very simple not, the only way. A way. That can help people. To see each other as human. Beings it's. Not just the other. Skill. Of the staff and volunteers in the coaches because they have to be trained. And prepared to be able to handle. Mediation.
Competition. Because. You, know that comes up sure, the. People on the same team who historic conflict. Right. Half day if that comes up what. Do you do so. You have to be able to stop. Clay to use those. As. Teachable, moments, to be able to focus on what's the real goal here you. Know it's not. Right. Helping, these kids to understand, each other you know. You. Mentioned in your talking about sport development how, the. Process, of finding the right coach and, then you just mentioned it now here what. Is the process of that like how do you identify the, people who can have these disparate. Skills, I mean you have to know the game but you also have to know what you're going into it how does that work that's a real challenge I bet it really is, oftentimes. It's not necessarily. Just. You, know say. Say coaches that have come through the traditional coaching, model. Through. Our educational, program and coaching. Like. We have here right. Community. Health word for sport management, maybe. But. Individual. Awareness. Also, of this, social. Issues and dynamics, and so I know I'll go back to the street soccer example, mm-hmm we're a really, effective coaches. Came, from this like social work right, you know they take new soccer soccer. You, know relational. Know. The fundamentals, of soccer, I've, seen how their career is as a social worker career. Is. Service. Professional. Sure. And, now. They see all this is a way I can bring this together. Crisis. To. Be able to, sometimes. The coaches. Will come and. It's perfectly lemon from outside of some those traditional. Pathways. But. So it's I think broadening, our I mean. Our. Understanding. Of where we look for first. Time. Sure. Maybe, it's not traditional. Right. Don't. Always do that to the, best degree. No. Unfortunately, in sport for development if, I use you, know you have a lot of organizations, to fail. Yeah. There, may be on, track for year, two or three and. You. Can also. Absolutely. You're, talking about funding and funders. Want to see their, ROI if, you oh so I. Wanted to talk about you mentioned a book that you're writing on and that you have coming out very soon let's talk about that. George. Mason University. Entitled. Um partnerships. And linkages and support for development and peace. Considerations. Tensions and strategies, published. By Sagamore, in town, we. Did a symposium I got some funding. From the Illinois International, Programs office here, at, two years ago. So, we use. The funding to bring in 12, scholars. Around, the world who. Worked. In various, sectors of sport for development. Education. And. So. We brought. In new scholars, and we were, honest and person, the. Book is really going, to be a compilation, of. Papers. That were presented at this symposium I was, funded by the government programs. Office. From. That. Symposium. Which. Will have papers. In it as well as some other, remarks, on the. Importance, of. Partnerships. This. Is so critical, to. Sustainable. And effective. Partnerships. With. Institutions. With. Their corporate, social responsibility, initiation. So. The book is really about all, of that yeah, it's a blueprint, if you will yeah and, so the different papers and, chapters are really, focusing, on those different sectors and trying to provide some your, the latest thinking on partnership. Development, or with the goal being to help. Practitioners. But also scholars, and students to, understand.
How. Sport. For development can be, effective. Their partnerships, are sort of one mechanism a, very important mechanism for, and really, enhancing, the sustainability, and effectiveness, of these, programs over time, my. Thanks to John Welty Peachy this has been a few minutes with this, has been a few minutes with this, is.