Bishop Robert Barron: "Religion and the Opening Up of the Mind" | Talks at Google
Well. Welcome, everyone. Thanks. For joining us today we're excited. To host Bishop. Robert Barron for this talk at Google as. Part of a series of talks that the, Catholic community here, in a, range not, only for itself but also for other, religious. Or non-religious, groups that, we all so warmly welcomed. Bishop. Baron just, flew in, this morning all, the way from LA to share a message, that we believe to be very aligned with our core values here at Google especially. In regards to respectful, dialogue and respect. Respecting. Each other and each other's dignity, who. Is Bishop Robert Barron though I'm, glad you asked novice. Bishop. Robert Barron is the auxiliary bishop. Of the Archdiocese, of Los Angeles and he's, the founder of Borland Fire Catholic, ministries his. Website word on fire org. Reaches. Millions, of people each year and he's, one of the world's most followed Catholics, on social media along with Pope Francis and. His. Regular YouTube videos have, been viewed over 25. Million times and he, recently received, the YouTube silver creator Awards. So, Bishop Baron is a number, one best-selling author, on Amazon and he's, published numerous books, essays and, articles on, theology and the, spiritual life we. Have a few copies of his latest book to light a fire on the earth in the, back to give away today please, don't all rush over there right now but. There will be time after, the talk for a book signing and. Also Q&A, again, yeah, so. Without further ado let's welcome a, pizza, bar. Thank, you guys very much. Thanks. Well. Thank you very much thanks for that nice introduction, and it really is a delight, to be here at I mean, you all know this one of the most significant, cultural centers really in the world I've been very, warmly received so, thanks, for the invitation thanks, for the great. Hospitality, I. Want. To talk about religion. And the, opening. Up of the mind. Because. Very often religion, sort of gets a bad rap.
As, Superstitious. It's sub rational, it's opposed to the mind I'm gonna argue Oh contraire. Just. The contrary that religion authentically, construed, is meant. To open up the, mind and the will okay, that's my my. Goal today. You, know a term that now is common parlance but didn't exist when I was a young man is a search, engine and here. We are at the headquarters of the most popular, and powerful search engine on, the planet. And. Our fingertips, now quite literally, is almost all the knowledge all, the wisdom information, that the human race has accumulated and we can just press a button and up it comes just. Recently. I was with a older, friend of mine and he was mentioning. The 1937. World, Series and. He was convinced, that game three, ended, with a certain score but wasn't sure what it was I said well let's check mr. Google so of course we did and up came the information, about Game three of the 1937. World Series not, that long ago as with someone else and we were wondering about a passage, in the Divine Comedy of Dante and of course we're able to find it very quickly here's. One that was maybe a few in the room old enough to remember the show f-troop, remember, that from, the 60s, well this, is that good a few of you with, some friends from my you know era, and we're arguing about the character, than f-troop I said well let's ask mr. Google, so up came the carrot here's not an F Troop so, you know that that we have really. At this extraordinary. Civilizational. Moment, the capacity, to access. The. Wisdom of the race now see. Search, engine. Search. Engine, triggers, for me an awful, lot of, resonances. With religion. The. Mind. By. An inner instinct. Is restless. Even. Relentlessly. So right the, mind searches, for truth and, it, finds it finds a particular truth like the ones I just mentioned but. Does the mind ever rest, at that point no no the, minute we find, some truth usually. Twelve, more questions, emerge think. Of the way we all surf the web right we go looking for something but it leads us somewhere else than somewhere else somewhere, else again and then we find all this so fascinating, we forget what we were originally looking for the, mind is restless, even. Relentlessly. So it never rests, or if it does it's. The way a climber. Might rest on the side of the mountain just to catch his breath before, heading, back up right. It. Searches, it searches, the more it knows the, more it wants, to know. My. Great intellectual, hero is Saint Thomas Aquinas and, he. Spoke in the thirteenth century of, the. Intellectus. Odd gems. That's, his Latin and, usually it's transliterated. And English as the agent, intellect, which sounds rather you. Know cold seem, odd gems in Latin. Is a participle, doing. Making. Moving. Intellect. Asad Jones is the restless, searching. Mind. Now. Where's it going, the intellectus, odd gems what's, it looking, for here, I love the the, one-liner from the great Jesuit, philosopher, Bernhard lonergan lonergan. Says it's very simple the, mind. Wants. To know everything, about everything. Now, Google this should be familiar to you right but. That's the natural dynamism. Of the mind not to know just this particular, truth, or that. Not. Just the conglomeration. Of all particular. Truths the mind wants to know everything. About everything it wants, not just particular truths, it. Wants, the. Truth itself. It. Wants, the source, of reality. Itself, that's how hungry. The, mind is, another. Lonergan, line is is there's, an emptiness like the emptiness of a box. It's kind of a dumb emptiness, just waiting to be filled but. There's also the emptiness of the stomach, it's. Empty but it knows what it wants the. Mind is empty at the beginning of life but not like a box more like a stomach. Intellectus. Odd Jen searching, searching, until. It. Comes to its fulfillment only. In. Knowing.
Everything, About everything, the. Very source of reality. Okay. True. Of the mind, equally. True of, the. Will. The. Second, great dynamic of the human spirit the will now, the will seeks not the true, but. The good. So. Right now everyone, in this room we're all seeking, the good in some way so, I'm seeking the good of speaking, view you're, seeking, I hope you find it some good in in my talk. You. Know we talked about final. Causality. Aristotle, made that distinction right between efficient. Causality, like a pushing, cause think. Of all the physical sciences, the modern Sciences are based upon an efficient, causality, where do things come from what brings them into being but. Final, causality, Aristotle, thought was more important that's. The pulling cause right. What what attracts, or lures things. Now. That's a talk for another day we had we could debate final. Causality, in nature but, I think no. One would would disagree that final. Causality. Obtains in, our world. That. We human beings are drawn by. The good it lures, our, wills. Okay. But. Remember the intellect, asaji ins the restless seeking, never satisfied. Mind, same. Is true of the will. Notice. How any act of the will can. Be analyzed, in a kind of Russian doll manner, do I mean the one downside, the other that, every particular. Act of the will if we think about it is situated. In a broader, and wider act. Of the will which. In turn is in a broader, and wider broader. And wider etc, I want. To talk about think. About getting, out of bed in the morning, right so it's an act of the will unless you fell out of bet but, if you get out of bed in the normal way it's an act of the will you're seeking a good to start your day, but. See that good, Ness. In a higher good, why. Do you get out of bed well. I want to get to work okay. Why. Do you want to get to work well. I need to make money, well. Why need to make money, well. I want to support myself and my family, why. Do you want support yourself and your family well supporting. My family leads to their flourishing well why do you want that because, my. Family, flourishing. Makes. Me happy and. I. Want to be happy all the, time and. In. An unconditioned. Way. Just. As the mind won't, rest, until it knows everything, about everything, so the will doesn't. Rest. Until. It finds an unconditioned. Happiness, now let me analyze any act of the will that way I set, my car to the mechanic well how come so the car will run, better well why do you want that so I can get to work and I'll do that analysis, or so I can get to my friends more easily but, why do you want that well being with my friends is a great good that makes me happy and I, want to be happy all the time and an, unconditioned. Way I. Go. To a basketball game this is kind of easier to analyze well why do you want that well because basketball, is interesting, and beautiful and contemplating. It makes me happy and I want to be happy all the time and, in. An unconditioned, way see. The the will if. We analyze it sufficiently, is conditioned. By a, desire. For. Beatitude. Oh I'm using, this latin term on purpose because, it was thomas aquinas his term. Happiness. Beatrice, means happy and laughs beatitude. Oh is the. Happiness, i'm talking, about which, is not the happiness that comes from a particular act of the will like hey I went to you know Bishop barrows talk I was okay I liked, it you know it made me happy, in a very limited way okay, I'll be I'll be happy, if that's true but. Then Zi analyze. Any act including, this one and you'll eventually get, to the. Design higher at. The ground of the will, for. Beatitude, Oh, unconditioned. Happiness. Now. Here's the interesting thing everybody. Prior. To modernity prior, to the rise of the sciences. The. Principal. Question, that. Preoccupied. The minds of the best and brightest people in the West was. The nature of beatitude. Oh see. What what is it so, we all want it and, that's true by the way of the of the religious believer of the agnostic, the atheist everybody, wants. Beatitude, oh it's. The first mover, of the will. So. What. Is it and. Can I submit to you there is no question more, important, than that and, and, see one of the tragedies I think of our time is so often we bracket, that question, because, we're so preoccupied.
With The achievements, of our of Sciences, and God bless them I'm all in favor of them don't get me wrong but. We tend to bracket, the question that prior to modernity, the best and brightest people thought. Was the most important. What. Is this beatitude oh that all of us at least implicitly, are. Seeking. Okay. And I want to give you a little bit now of, Thomas. Aquinas his analysis, of this you, can find it by the way in the very beginning of the second, part of his, great Summa, theologia, his summary, of theology. He. Was interesting many years ago there was a prominent, Catholic Cardinal. Who, had a little quip that he often used he said good. Morality is, like good art it, begins. With a drawing of a line now. It's it's a clever line but I think actually it's wrong. Because. That's not the way Aquinas, stars. The. Drawing of a line like a law and, I'm, in favor of it don't get me wrong we have to get to drawing some drawing of lines but Aquinas. Begins not with the law that happens, in question, 99. 0. Question. 1 question. 1 and here is just like all his pre-modern, of, colleagues. Question. 1 what. Is beatitude. Oh what. Is the happiness, that is luring our, wills. Ok. So. He does a kind of process. Of elimination. He. Looks at for. Classical. Candidates. What. Great people have said and thought about the nature of beatitude Oh, so. First he says some people claim that. Wealth. Is. Beatitude. Oh. To. Be rich sufficiently. To be sufficiently, wealthy, that's the B attitude oh that, finally, I'm seeking, now. Is that a legitimate, position well in a way I mean I get it lots of very smart people have said that and may, I submit in our culture, especially you. Can find an awful. Lot of people I think that hold to. That if. I just have enough you. Know money. In the bank I have a big enough house nice. Enough cars, I have a commodious, life, I'll, be happy, and that's in fact what I'm always implicitly, desiring, and all my acts of the will. True. Acquaintance, says no. Wealth. Is it good but. It can't be the unconditioned. Good, how. Come let's. Just look what does wealth mean, he. Says wealth and the natural sense means and I give there's a quote here that, makes it sound kind of contemporary, he, says. Wealth. Serves, as a remedy for our natural, wants, such as food drink. Clothing, cars. Dwellings. And such like that's. From the thirteenth century but it sounds like today doesn't it I mean that, what's what is wealth give me it's, a remedy for natural, wants, so, these natural wants like I'm hungry, I'm thirsty I I'm uncomfortable. And, so wealth gives me food, drink clothing cars, dwellings, and such like goods. Yeah. But, it can't be the ultimate good why why, because Thomas, says those, things are, the.
Condition, For the possibility. Of much, higher goods and. Think about of a second you know once you've discovered you've found enough, food and drink you've, got a. Shelter, you're. Living in a sort of comfortable, commodious, way then. You, can aspire, to. Philosophy. And science, and, friendship. And conversation. These, higher Goods. Wealth. Is a proximate. Good it can't be there for the, ultimate, good, so. That can't be beatitude Oh what we're all implicitly, seeking. Okay. Others, have said. Beatitude. Oh happiness, consists, in, honors. Now. Think about for a second how many societies. Both of east and west around the world trans, historically. How, many societies, are predicated upon. Honor. And shame right. That, the worst thing you can experience is to be shamed, and therefore. Concomitant, ly the best thing is to. Be honored and I. Know lots, of people whose. Lives are pretty much centered around the, quest for honor, to. Be thought, highly of to be given titles, and prerogatives right, to, be held up. Okay. Is honor, though, beatitude. Oh and Aquinas, says no, it can't be, why. Because. Honoree says is like a flag. That. We put on something, good, noble and virtuous. So. You notice, someone who's got great ability, or their or their leading, a virtuous life and you, want to put a flag on that to say hey everybody look at that that's. Worth emulating. That's. Honor so think of titles and positions and, prerogatives and so on signs, of respect they. Are flags, of virtue or nobility. Therefore. They're derivative. They're, secondary. What. Matter is much more than honor are the things that are being honored namely, your virtue nobility. And so on therefore. Honor good, things sure. But. It can't be beatitude. Oh it, can't, be the happiness, that deep, down we're all seeking. Okay. Oh but here's another. Indication, that honor can't, be the ultimate good, notice. Aquinas says who in, society, is being honored the most, are. They the very best people, the. Question answers itself doesn't, age. To age think, of the people who get the most attention the most adulation. Are they in fact the best again, it answers itself. Others. Have said, you. Know what be attitude oh is its. Power. Power. And again this has a lot of weight. Across the ages, lots of impressive. Important, people have, argued for this and deep, down there, are a lot of people age, after, age who. Do indeed seek, power as their, ultimate good you, know go, back to the Tolkien movies, and the great Tolkien, novels, what's, the ring, but. A ring of power right, what. Are they seeking what's everybody, drawn, to, talk about final, causality. Right the minute the ring gets near anybody what's. The ring of power, it. Is indeed something that we all seek, I. Think. In our culture too I would. Correlate power, and freedom very strongly you know, for Americans, or many Westerners, what's the supreme, value but freedom. Well. You want freedom but but power right, it, don't try it on me don't get in my way let, me do what I want to do go where I want to go accomplish, what I want to accomplish and isn't, it true that we hate it when, people take away our freedom I do I hate it whether, that's in a physical, sense of psychological sense of spiritual sense and so. Ok power. Does, seem to be something very alluring, known. As to please so, keep talking in mind but, also keep in mind in the. Gospels, the great story of the temptation, of Jesus. What's. The highest temptation.
The, 3rd temptation. The. Devil takes, him to a high place and shows him what all the kingdoms, of the world in one glance, and all these I will give you if you but bow down and worship me, it's. A temptation to power isn't it. So. It is alluring, but. Is it beatitude. Oh. Aquinas. Says no it can't be why. Very. Simple reason. Power ii says is a. Source. Of activity, that, allows us to attain an end, but. Beatitude, o is an, end the, city means beyond, whatever this beatitude o is it's something that I'm going for that I want it's a good that's out there power, is terrific, as a means, of attaining ends, right, you give me the power to, do this the power to do that the power to attain but, power in itself is not what you want it's, the good that power gives you access to right. Therefore. Power can't, in itself. Be. Beatitude, oh, okay. So it's not wealth not. Honor not. Power here's. The fourth great candidate. And. I think everybody from a spiritual standpoint it's really helpful analysis. Because. All of us were all sinners in this room, I trust. We're. All beguiled, by these things in some way we all tend to mistake these for beatitude. Oh so. The fourth one Thomas, says is, pleasure. Now. This is a very old philosophical. Position it's called hedonism. And don't, make fun of hedonism, is just like you know eat drink and be merry hedonism. Is a very noble of, classical, position that, says what we all seek, deep down is pleasure, now, it could be pleasure in food and drink and so on but also pleasure, in the arts pleasure in sports, pleasure, in in knowledge. Etc so it can be a more refined, form. Of, hedonism. But. That pleasure it seems is this, ultimate. Good it. Seems. To be beatitude. Oh. Yeah. Might seem that way so the kindness but it can't be how come because. Pleasure, he says is a side, effect of. Something. Much more fundamental. So. When I achieve, some physical, well-being I, experience. Pleasure as a as a happy, side effect but it's the health of the body that's really substantive, or, when I make some great spiritual, intellectual, cultural. Attainment, I might feel a rush, of pleasure accompanying. That but, the pleasure is just derivative, isn't it from.
The The substantive, accomplishment. So, pleasure can't, be it. Okay. So we know we. All want. Beatitude. Oh everyone in this room again this is religious, non-religious, believer atheist. Everybody, wants beatitude o otherwise, you would not get out of bed in the morning. So. What is it what is it that's. Not well if it's not power it's not pleasure it's not honor. Thomas. Says, the. Desire. For. Happiness for, beatitude, o is an. Infinite, desire. Remember. I said we want to be happy all the time and in an unconditioned, way don't, we I don't want to start over some proximate. Good some, limited, mitigated, good I want, goodness, itself and, therefore. He concludes. Beatitude. O cannot be any good, in this world. Of. Wealth. Pleasure power on or anything else. None. Of that can. Satisfy, this. Longing, of the soul, and of the heart this questing. This searching for. Beatitude oh. It. Is only in God. Listen. To his quote, hence. It's evident that nothing. Can lull, a, person's. Will. Save. The universal. Good and this. Is to be found not. In any creature. But. In God alone. Now. Can I submit to you everybody this is is the the moral, wisdom of, the, great biblical tradition, and the roots of this go way back into the Scriptures themselves but. This is the way Aquinas, analyzes. It philosophically. What. We want cannot. Be met by anything in this world just. As what the mind wants, see. It does not correspond, to any particular bit, of knowledge within the world the. Mind wants to know unconditioned. Truth the will wants, the unconditioned. Good. That. Hunger. Is that. The source, of, religion. It seems to me that. Opening. Up of the questing. Mind and heart is what, it's all about. Okay, now, can I turn from that little philosophical, analysis. To. The Bible, and. I want to share with you a story that I've, always loved, and. I think, it speaks precisely. To this point it's. A story from. The. First book of kings in. The Old Testament. Destroyed. Dealing with Elijah, and, the, priests, of Baal now, as I tell the story you might remember. During. This period, Israel. Had gone over to false worship. So. King Ahab.
Remember. So Melville calls his you know Captain, Ahab and pork, abhinaya because we, hear in the Bible that a hab is worse than all the kings of Israel combined, and and. Knowing, the rogues gallery of, the kings of Israel that's saying a mouthful right so, Ahab is a really bad guy more, to it his wife Jezebel, has now drawn, him into the worship of false, gods. So. Elijah the prophet rises up we know nothing about him, except. He's from the little town of tisha now, talked to specialists, historians. Of the ancient world they don't know where Tish PO was so we know nothing about Elijah he suddenly appears, on the scene and he challenges, a.m. he, says you know the drought were having here in this country it's, because, of the false worship. Tree. Interesting thing now in the Bible never. Read, the. Punishments, of God is somehow arbitrary. God's. Is having a bad day and so he's imposing this arbitrary, no no it's, spiritual, physics. The. Garden, go back to the beginning what's the garden symbolic, of but flourishing. The flourishing, that God wants, for his people. Adam. And Eve expelled, from the garden not capriciously. Arbitrarily. But, as spiritual, physics when. We fall away from God we tend to fall into lifelessness. That's the point and so, the drought now of it Elijah points, out is a function, of false. Worship, now. Let me just I'm gonna dwell on that for a second keep, Aquinas, in mind and beatitude oh and the seeking, of the good right and keep, in mind those, substitutes. For beatitude, oh wealth, pleasure honor power. The. Very beginning of the book of Genesis we hear, about God making. The heavens and the earth right, and, everything's. Coming forth in this orderly, manner. Mind. You please not science, hi poetry, and this is right so, as things come forth in this orderly way let. There be light and there was light let, the earth come forth that came forth let the earth know teem with animals, and so on and so forth. Stars. And, the planets all, come, forth in this, orderly, procession from God two. Basic, moves are being made here symbolically. First. Of all the author is. Dethroning. All these, false, claimants, to divinity think. For a second of you know the planets and the moon and the stars mountains, animals, the river etc, what do they all have in common they. Were all at one point or another worshiped, in the ancient world, these. Are all God's worthy, of worship, the, author of Genesis is saying no, no no. No. No. These. Are all creatures. Of God not. God, don't. Worship them. Are. They good yes, and the, conglomeration, indeed is very good but. They're not God. Don't. Worship them, now. Here's the second point he's making and here, that the Catholics will understand what I'm talking about as these. Things come forth, in an, orderly manner one. After the other in a, stately procession was. That remind you of. It. Should remind you a bit of the mass and, of, the way the. Ministers, of the mass process. In, well. The mass of course the roots go way back into the into the Jewish temple rituals and so on right, there's. The idea nothing. In the world is God don't worship them but everything. In the world is meant to turn to, God in, right. Praise. As. The purpose, of creation is to turn to God and right praise and. Who. Comes at the end of this procession well. There's the human beings right Adam and Eve who. Comes at the end of a liturgical procession. But. The priest or the bishop the one who's going to lead the, ah that's, the idea. Dethrone. All. False. Claimants, to divinity nothing, in the world is God don't worship those things but. Rather let, all those, things be part of a great chorus, of praise. Led. By. Human. Beings who. Can give voice to, the. Praise of creation. That makes. Sense that's the biblical vision that's the biblical vision, right. Praise. I, love, this connection that you know the word, adoration. From. Two Latin words that were odd or rotc Oh odd hora, or, amis, mouth right ah Dora. Is mouth to mouth. To. Adore, God, is to be mouth to mouth with God it means lined, up, aligned, see, under the power of God, in. That stance, we, find, who, we are. Another. Little bit emoji thing, worship. Right our word worship go.
Back Now like Chaucerian, times, an older English form is worth. Ship. What's. The highest worth. That's. What you worship, now. Again let's me everybody there's believer or non-believer everybody, this is above this is religious person atheist, everybody. In this room worship, something. There's. Something of highest, worth, to. You, remember. Beatitude, Oh everyone's, seeking happiness everyone, there's no way around that what. Is it what. Is it and see, that the author of Genesis is saying don't, let, anything, in the world be the object, of your worth-ship. But. God alone. Wealth. Pleasure, honor power, any creaturely. Thing that. Will not lead you to the beatitude, oh that you want but. Only the right praise, of God and can, I submit you I think. That's lesson one of. The, Bible, it's, what the Bible is about from, Genesis, to Revelation it's. About right. Praise. And, don't. Interpret that in a fussy way but. Rather in this deep sort of metaphysical way. Right. Praise means the right ordering, of one's life worth, shipping. God alone. When. You do that where do you live in a garden, that means you live in a place of life, when. You stop worth shipping, God alone. Welcome. To the desert that's the biblical symbolism. Okay. So, with all that in mind go back now to Elijah. And and King Ahab he. Says the trouble here Ahab is you're, worshipping false gods it's always the problem, right. Fellow sinners. Right. That's always the problem I'm worth shipping, something other than God. Well. As they have happy about this no no he. Says, get lost you troubler. Of Israel and. Elijah. Again, all we know about him is his name but you know his name means it tells you everything Eliyahu, in, Hebrew, Elijah, Eliyahu. Means, Yahweh. Is my God -. His whole being is summed up in him I don't, worship Benny for anybody, but Yahweh Yahweh's, my god Eliyahu and, so. He prophetically, challenges. A.m. he's, what he says he's, it look you, get all the, priests, and prophets of Baal so the the gods that they were worshipping and let's, all go to Mount Carmel and I'm, gonna go up there and let's have a let's have a challenge, and, so. The, 450, priests, of Baal go, up Mount Carmel and then, the one Elijah right, now. In that there's an important lesson to. The. Avatars. Of the false gods are always thick. On the ground, true. Then uh-huh, true today yes. Wealth. Pleasure honor power by the way the, avatars, of those things are they everywhere. Uh-huh. They're always thick on the ground. The. Representative, of God tend. To be much smaller number, so the one Elijah against, the four and fifty priests of Baal and then. Of course that wonderful, story. Unfolds. Which actually is quite funny, and the, friends of mine who know Hebrew, really well I don't know what that well will, tell me that the humor really comes out in the, in the Hebrew.
Let. Me read you some of those, some of the lines so the, the priests of Baal set, up the altars, right and then they begin to supplicate, and to beg and to pray that their gods will come and send fire to consume the sacrifice because, that was the challenge right you call on your gods and see, what happens and I'll call in mine and we'll see which one responds, right so, they begin to. To. Beg and so on and. Elijah. Around, midday, begins, to mock them because they know fire is coming to answer there he, mocks them cry. Louder but. All is a god but you know he may be detained, and talked or maybe he's lodging, abroad or maybe, he's on a journey, or maybe, he's fallen asleep and, needs awakening, so. He's mocking them the priests of Baal and now, they're kind of stunned, by this and, so then they take out swords. We hear and they they slashed themselves, till they bleed that was a sign of greater supplication. Right and still, they beg and still they cajole and, still. No fire falls. Then. Elijah comes forward to his altar, he. Says hear me O Lord hear, me prove to all the people that. Thou art the Lord God and are calling their hearts back to thee and with. That we hear the fire comes down consumes. The sacrifice. Elijah. Wins, ok, but, here's what I want you all to see, please that, this is not just a you know my God is bigger than your God it's, not just kind of a chauvinistic, story. This. Is making the same point, that Thomas. Aquinas was making it seems to me. Look. Everybody's, got a hungry heart right Bruce Springsteen taught us that saying. The same thing everyone's. Got a hungry, heart everybody, wants beatitude, oh so what do we do we. Worship. Something. Everybody. Does it, paul. Tillich the protestant theologian said that all you need to know about a person you can learn by asking one question what. Do you worship, it's. Dead right it seems to me it's all because, your life will be organized, around what you take to be the highest value so, think. Of the priests above all no think. If you want of for, altars. Erected. To wealth pleasure. Power honor. What. Do most of us sinners do most of the time is we hop. Around, one. Or more of those altars. We. Worship, one. Or more of these things I, mean. Everyone. Can tell the story right I know lots of young people that got very early, on the train toward, wealth and they. Worshiped, it they, devoted, themselves to, it they hopped around the altar. Did. It satisfy them, no it can't, and we just saw why see, because the hunger is infinite, and no, amount of wealth is gonna satisfy that. So. What happens then. You. Get addicted. You. See why I'm, searching, for wealth and I, got it I got, my first million by thirty or whatever it is you know and I got a little buzz from that as, you do but, then the buzz wears off it has to cuz you're not you're not built, for that and.
When The buzz wears off I better go back to that altar I better keep worth shipping, there I better, keep hopping around that altar, and. I get my first 10 million by 40 or whatever a goal you have and and. The buzz comes back but what, will any addict, tell you we're. All addicts in this room by the way cuz we're all sinners well, will any addict tell you the buzz well we're all faster, right, and. So. Now I panic. Remember. The slashing, themselves, with, the names till. They're bleeding that. Will harm ourselves. In the, process of hopping around this altar. Power. Same. Thing same dynamic, talk, to people who very early on got hooked on power that's. What will make me happy so I'm gonna worth-ship at that alter, the attitude oh man that's its power that's what I want and I get power whatever. It was I'm going for by the age of 30 you know and I get a buzz from it but. It wears off it has to. So. I get more and more and I hop and I cajoled and. Then. Before I know what I'm addicted. To. Such a degree that I'm harming, myself in the process. Same, with honors talk to anybody who's, that mad train I never. Get enough attention they, don't appreciate me why did he get that job why do I not have the, honors I deserve. I've. Been worth shipping, at that altar all my life people will say it's. Not designed, to satisfy you because beatitude, o is not found there. What. Is the lied you representing again. Don't think of it so much you know how chauvinistic, Li and nationalistic, Li what is it Elisha represent, but. The. Worth shipping, the. Worshipping. Of the true God the. Infinite. Truth, the. Infinite, goodness of God. When. You order your life that way listen, out the fire will fall. That's. The point then. The fire will fall because. Now you hooked, your infinite, desire under the properly, infinite, object and the. Fire will fall and consume, the, sacrifice of, your life and. Make. It radiant, and and. Bring it to it to a heightened, fulfillment, there's. The Bible that's the lesson the Bible has for us which, is relevant. In 2018, as it ever was because. I can introduce you you all know this you do the same thing introduce. You to dozens. And dozens of people that I know who. Are hopping around these four altars right. It's. Only true worship, that will give me satisfaction. Okay. I'd make one more little step and then we'll bring it to a close here's. What gets I think really interesting. So. So. God. Alone, will, satisfy the deepest, hunger my heart okay got that. I've. Got to get God in me, right to satisfy, my desire for beatitude, oh, but. Who is God. In. The biblical reading, God. Is. Love. All. Right st. John tells us that and, that's a distinctively. Christian idea because it's not that God simply, loves or that. God has the attribute, of love it's, what God is. Father. Son Holy Spirit by the way lover. Beloved, and shared love that's who God is is, love, so. Here's the paradox. Only. And God is my soul at rest only. When I have God in me do I have B attitude oh but. God is love. Therefore. Only when, I. Give. Away. What. God gives me do, I have the B attitude oh that I seek. Love. Is willing the good of the other love is giving, away and so. As the, divine life comes into me what do I do with it don't. Hang on to it now, we read the prodigal son if you want the physics, there right father, give me my share coming, to me give me me me me give it to me so I can have it what happens to them fritters, away not. Arbitrary, punishment that's spiritual, physics you try to hang on to it you'll lose it but. When, you give away the divine, life that's flowing into you. Now. It increases. In you thirty. Sixty. And a hundredfold, right. You. Get the love that God is, in you, by. Giving it away. Is. Any way this Christian thing is so hard to get because it's so counterintuitive, fellow. Sinners, in this room what's, our hang-up, look, I'm unhappy, we all are by the way I don't mean psychologically depressed. I mean we're all unhappy we're, all we're, all unsatisfied. In this room so, I know I know I'm missing something, that's it I'm missing requisite. Wealth pleasure power, or honor right, that's, our instinct, I got, to get more of that I got to fill myself up that's, never, the answer that's, never, the answer in fact that's counter, it indicated. That will lead to addiction and unhappiness. Rather. Contrived. A way to, give your life away and.
You'll. Find, the, B attitude, oh that, you're actually seeking. Sam. Something about the questing. Mind, and the, searching, heart, when. They open up to the infinite, source of love, that's. When they find that B attitude oh they seek, so. How, about just give st., Augusta in the last word. If you go back to the great confessions. Of st. Augusta one of the you. Know master works of the of the Western world. Page. One you'll. Find this little pithy, statement of, Christian anthropology. Lord. You've made us for yourself. Therefore. Our heart is restless. Until, it, rests in thee, there's. No better statement of what. I've been trying to say all this talk, Lord. You've made us for yourself that's, see the infinite, hunger. We're. Not gonna get like a dog satisfied, its basic needs and goes blissfully, to sleep utterly happy terrific. That's what dogs designed, for we're not designed, that way, Lord. You made us for yourself we've, got an infinite, longing, therefore. This is beautiful in agustin therefore our heart, he says he didn't say Cordia. Our hearts. He says cor Nostrum, see. What he means is we've all got, this in common, this. Links, everybody, together cor, Nostrum our heart is restless. Until it rests in thee and that, means conformed. Unto, love. That's. Beatitude, oh. Thanks. Everybody thanks for listening. Thank. You bishop very good, please so, we're gonna have Q&A right now so Davao, is over there he's gonna run around with a mic if there's any live questions and. I will read out some questions from the dory so let's start with one from the dory. We. Have John Nolan and Mountain, View asking, when. Scientists, and atheist talk about religion, they seem to be stuck rehashing. Debates of previous centuries evolution. Age of the earth heliocentrism. What. Can be done to convince science. Minded skeptics that, religious, belief systems have, something valuable to offer in, the 21st century, yeah, good it's a question I wrestle, with all the time first. Of all all the things they've raised there from my perspective as a Catholic, are nine issues so. Helping. People how old is the earth don't. Ask me ask a scientist how, did how did biological. Things develop don't ask me ask an evolutionary. Biologist those, are scientific, questions, properly so the, Bible is not science, right, the last book of the Bible is written around the Year 100, AD the first scientific, texts are in the let's, say 16th century the Bible is not science, it simply isn't its. Spirituality, and theology making very profound. Observations. That are truthful about, the nature of reality, but, not in a scientific, mode so first of all to give science, its total do that we're not in a conflictual, relationship but. In the second move is this to. Overcome, our terrible, tendency in our culture towards, scientism, and scientism. Is the reduction, of all knowledge to. The scientific form of knowledge right, so, what, the scientific method can give us I love the scientific, method and look, around us I mean what is produced god bless, it but. We. Shouldn't reduce all forms, of knowledge to what can be delivered by the scientific, method. Get. Out of Plato's cave if you want to go back to the to the Republic of Plato get, out of the realm of simply looking at shadows on the wall and come, to much higher levels of reality accessed. I would argue through metaphysics, and through philosophy and so, there I would, give, science, its total, do right, and then we're not in a conflictual, game, with the sciences but, also not to allow the sciences, to draw everything into themselves. So. That's it that's a quick answer to a subtle, of. Set of questions there. Please. If, anyone has a question just raise your hand okay, so. Beatitude. Oh and the, way you describe, it with it's. Necessary. Longing, and desire and. Journeying. Towards it. Eastern. Ideas like the Four Noble Truths, say, that this is in fact something that we can move past that it's not completely. Universal, and that moving past this, desire, and this longing is in, fact a viable, path towards enlightenment is there, a way to resolve, those, Eastern, ideas with what you said today or is that a fundamental difference, yeah. It's a good question of course it would take us you know a year to search it out completely but I think that that's right there's a key difference because, it's the it's the quieting, of desire, you know Nirvana it's the blowing out of the candle of, desire that is the goal of the Buddhist tradition and desire, in a way is the problem, you know born of ego and so on and so, you know dependent, coronation.
And Through, intense. Meditation one finds, that point of putting. Out desire, where. The Christian thing and Agustin is is typical. Here if not, putting, out desire but awakening. And is and directing, desire, appropriately. Now. I think we can play as Thomas Merton did the true self all self game. And that's that's a good way I think to dialogue. With with Buddhism is. There a false, self, that's. Full of all kinds. Of weird and errant desires, yeah and that, should be put to death blow. That out if you want blow, out the candle, of that kind of desire but I, would say is a Christian there's not just that there's also a properly. Directed desire, an. Awakened, and heightened desire. But. Yeah you're onto I think a very fundamental, point, of demarcation but. I think true self false self might give us a Christian. Analogy. To the blowing out of errant, desire but. We wouldn't go so far as to say that desire quod. Desire, is the problem it's, it's. You. Know des. Lieux Bach talks about this the Claudia Castillo mistake, he is this weird. I'm crippling. Of desire that's. The problem but, that's a great question it's the point of demarcation I, think. Please. Go ahead. We. Have another question on the Dory from. Mike rile in Mountain View with. The growth of technology and the development of a globalized, community. What's, the most important, thing that we can do as a group of people dedicated, to the advancement of, technology, to, ensure that our ethical, and moral growth, as global population, doesn't, fall behind our technological. Growth that's. A really good question, terrific and I'm glad, it's, raised so you understand the dynamic, there that we get so enthusiastic, about our technological, advances, and again. God bless them, they're wonderful you know but. They, must always be, properly. Haunted. By the, moral question and the, moral question is the question of love finally, I will speak as a Christian to love, is to will the good of the other right. Not. My good through you but, your good, I want, what's good for you that's love and love, must always, dominate. Love, must always be the primary consideration and so as, our technology advances. Is it in service of love you. Know Saint Agustin said love, God and. Do. What you want on. This point there was as long, as love, is. Thoroughly. Dominant. In your life then then the rest will take care of itself, so, then your technological life, will find its proper place. So. That's terrific I'm glad that ethical, spiritual, question is raised or else our technology, will destroy us because, that's the thing look at wealth pleasure outer power. They'll. Turn on us see. If we don't know how to manage. Them spiritually. They'll manage us, again. Sound familiar every. Center in this room including me we know what that's about they, start managing us you. Know but. We, need to have, the sovereignty, of love and, then, these things find their proper place that's. Good, please. Go. Ahead please. Okay. Hi I. Think you might have already partially answered, my question, but you, know the during the course of your your talk it sounds as okay there's, the created, world and, ways. So you know basically worship, or love those things and then there's God and is, there only is, there a way to love, God I mean there's so many of us we're all so different is, there a one way or is there is there, you know how. Do we find our way to love. God is, there are there seven, castles, that we should be aware of or, or are, we so different that we have to make our own way that's. Good I mean you're talking there about the spiritual, tradition, and you're making reference actually to Teresa of Avila and so on the interior castle and there, are different, paths that spiritual, masters have laid out, and. So we, can find some of those general categories, everyone. Is different everyone's, got a unique personality, everyone. Falls in love with God differently. You. Know I would like to say John of the Cross who's, one of the great, masters, where John said, don't. Use the image of climbing the holy mountain which a lot of us will use like you know God's up there I got to find my way to get, to him but, rather God. Wants, nothing more than, to move, into your life in a saving way right, in, a life-giving, way so the idea, John. The Cross is to clear, the ground. So. The helicopter, can land so. I don't think I got to get up that mountain and, there's God distantly, out there and looking, judgmentally.
At Me as I strive to get up the mountain rather, no gods I get a helicopter who wants, to land in my heart but. There are obstacles in the way there's, their stuff in the way and I would say you know there's forms. Of false worship in the way clear. Those out so. The helicopter, can land so. It's like have the conference, that no God wants, in, my. Heart that's all he wants you know and I might just get out of the way enough, it'll. Happen, you. Know now, that's everyone's, got their own hang-ups. And problems, that they have to deal with but I think that's a basic, of, strategy. Please. Dessert I. Think we'll just do one more question from the dory and one more live question, and then we'll call it so, Eloisa. Wolf. From Mexico, is asking how, do you see our, as Catholic, employees, at Google. Well. She'd know better than I she's an employee. You. Know I first. Of all this. You'd, be a person of love that. Whatever, you find, yourself I go, with the little flower two residues ooh you know who's her so-called little way don't. Read that as, something, kind of twee and sentimental, the little way means in any. Situation. Find. The opportunity, for love and love. Again it's not a sentiment, it means willing, the good of the other so, wherever you are in whatever. Condition, you're. Sick you're in prison you're at work or wherever you are what's. The path of love find. It and walk, it so. That's, what I'd say to Catholics, at Google is walk the path of love as, fully as you can but. Then you know if you want to press the thing always. Be open as we here in first, Peter to, give a reason, for the hope that's in you so. If someone is curious about your, faith your, Catholicism, be ready to. Provide answers, we're. Going through a kind of a golden age right now of apologetics. I think, it's because the New Atheism I think it awakened, a lot of religious people to you. Know we got to defend ourselves here, and make the case to a, skeptical, public so, a lot of good material out there learn it so, that when people approach, you maybe curiously. Have. Something to say to them so those two things love, first and then, be ready to give a reason for the hope it's in you. Please. Um would, you mind sharing with us one way in which you've personally, experienced, God in your life yeah. Well I mean first. And foremost every, day when I say Mass I mean is the most powerful, but. I'll tell you when I was 14. It, was. Hearing. One of Thomas Aquinas his arguments, for God's existence so. I was, a Catholic kid going to Mass but, I wasn't all that interested, in religion, and it, was I was a freshman in high school and I see as I see Dominican in the back of the room a. Dominican. Friar in our religion class laid, out for us one of Thomas's, arguments, and honestly, I I never thought you could think about religion seriously. To me was it's like yeah, I go to Mass on Sunday but I never thought about it until that, moment I thought wow that's, a very intriguing. Presentation. And it, led me on this quest that I'm still on and, that's quite true that was, years. Ago. But. I've never left that path and that's where I really say God and, I look at it now in a decisive way kind of entered my, life and set. Me on a path that I'm, still on standing, before you today. Good. God bless you all thank you very much for coming. You. You.