Fret Buzz The Podcast, Episode 024: Bass Guitar and Jam Bands Part 1 of 2 (w/ Randy Nicklas)
Hello everybody welcome. To fret buzz the podcast, I'm Erin suck trick I'm, Jill McMurray and. Today. We're gonna talk a little, bit about some, bass, today, with us we have Randy, Nicholas, hi Randy, hi, guys oh. Yeah. Yeah welcome. Randy. Yeah. Randy's uh he's, been playing bass for quite, some time, no. Randy for years, I played. With him quite a few times he's got his own brand that we'll talk about today. Yeah. Just. An all-around cool, dude, you're definitely gonna want to learn, more about them, and get to know them check, them out yeah, oh you can't see him you gotta check out this beard yeah. Awesome. So welcome Randy, oh thank. You guys for having me oh nice. Morning yeah, well maybe for you. It's. Kind. Of nasty. All. Right so let's waste no time I actually want to jump right in I got lots of things that we could talk about, one. Of the first things that I definitely want to jump into is. Bass. And how. Its viewed. It. Is my perception just, from, my experience over, the years that. Going. Back to even something like Led Zeppelin, and you look at the all the old Led Zeppelin videos, and everything like that they'll show Robert Plant no, see Jimmy Page and occasionally. You'll see John, Bonham, doing his thing but the one person that you never ever see and. This. Goes for, almost, all videos. That you see especially in the older times is you never see the bassist, yeah. It's, rather interesting, when. You actually start paying attention to, just that. The. Bassist, is never ever like, the. One who gets the attention and, I've always found that kind of interesting. That. The. Bass doesn't. Ever really get, that spotlight. And. It really wasn't until Jocko, came along that it was like ooh Bay's. So. It's kind of interesting and even like where, I work and. People. Who come through the door you know it's always Qataris. Who. Want to learn and then, beyond that it would be drummers and then maybe some piano players but, the one, person who doesn't, that, like the that, doesn't come through the door is the bassist, yeah I was kind of wondering what your thoughts are on, that. I mean, they're. Pretty right the. Bass player is often the unsung, hero kind of a kind, of a joke you know you get a lot of fun poke that you should be the bass player. It's. Terrible, it's such a cool instrument yeah you know I don't have that meme that's like a guitar, player and he's going home with like three girls and then like the drummer is going home with - yeah. And the singers gonna homes one and then the bass player just going home with a space alright, which pretty, much described, my whole high school slash college career. Because. I love to practice yeah, but um I mean you're. Definitely right about Jaco, that dude changed the game yeah. Did. Jaco change the game because he was playing the. Melodies, he was not a lot, of times he got famous for playing, what. Isn't typically the bass role right, I I, would say that too I mean just right. Especially being a fretless player because that wasn't as common, I mean unless you're playing upright I guess at the time um, but. Definitely like you said yeah I would I would say him playing melodies, and his like technique, and his sound, I mean when. You listen to his like tone it was, just crazier, than any other bass players yeah, I mean you know saying one thing was like Geddy Lee - I think oh yeah, I mean that was just completely, different I mean don't get me wrong John Paul Jones and, and like Paul McCartney they, had amazing, bass lines oh yeah, but they weren't like the spotlight, they they didn't really have that that. That I don't, know that they. They. Should have had a bigger, role. Um. I don't. Know how to explain it it's it's, it. Like I said it really wasn't until Jocko, came along that he had that kind of like you said Joe as well that, melody, that kind of put. The spotlight on bass and everybody's kind of like ooh okay. Not that it wasn't around but it was just like oh okay, here's, somebody who's kind of making it. The voice of the band right, yeah, I mean listening to his stuff with like Joni Mitchell's same ways yeah, it, was like wow like, definitely. Never heard that before I feel like I meet a lot of people probably go like oh I'm gonna play the bass now yeah and it also made us kind of look back on things like you know people like James Jamerson, or. You know and and like even Paul McCartney's, bass lines or. John. Entwistle from The Who yeah well yeah and you start to go back and listen these guys that like we're kind of underappreciated, I mean even John Paul Jones meant a ramble.
On Like that oh. It's. So good. So. I think that, guy definitely started making people appreciate, it and then. When like. I mean from what I've studied like as soon as we hit the eighties like all these crazy jazz, fusion players, came out yeah and they were just like blowing, minds and you know then you get guys like Victor, Wooten coming, on and. Then he's like the best in the world and, that. That. Really like made, me want. To pick it up by, the time I was like. 12, I had gotten. A job and I bought my first bass, yeah. And. I. Just remember, like looked like the internet was becoming a thing so I was like able, to see these guys like, flea was like my first one that I love yep. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah my cousin gave me a Primus CD when I was 13 and I was like what in my. So. We're I'm not gonna lie I hated, it at first but. Then a couple listens, through and like I started kind of really getting into like myself. A little bit and figuring, out what I liked in life yeah, and Primus, was definitely, that oh my gosh yes yeah that's, a we it was like I was like what does this circus, music dude yes yeah weird yeah yeah, I was the same way I picked up that first album I was just like what is, this, such, a different, approach to music and it's quirky and, it's fun, and it's, just out there and the way he approaches, is because again here's a band that that. Focuses. On the bass Ryan, and it's like wow it, but it's not like a regular. Les. Is like out there man and it's awesome it was so I mean I played pork soda so many, times oh yeah man Frissell fried to all, the jams oh man. Yeah and then sailing the Seas of Jesus Oh every, song on there was a classic to me yeah yeah yeah, absolutely yeah. Yeah. So yeah bass is just kind of interesting, that over the years it's, it. Wasn't, the spotlight, and then like I said as over the years where you have people like Jaco and you have Geddy Lee and yes - ham and Bruton. And and all. These cats who were just like okay now bass is definitely, a big, thing and then what I'm noticing again. Is, is that I don't, really see that spotlight, happening. As much anymore we went through a good period where the bassist, was, you, know at, least recognized. But. Right now I'm not seeing. -. I mean again, as I said in many many episodes before. It's. Out there it's just, not prominent, like it used to be there right you don't have those guys like. Stu. Ham or, Jocko. Or any one of these I mean you don't have a Les Claypool right now you just don't have that it's not exist, I mean. I think that also has, to do with the, way music is especially the way like popular, music is going you know cuz a lot, of that is done electronically. Right. And I, mean, I get it cuz you can make some, pretty cool like I'm into that - I love production, stuff yeah, you, can get some pretty cool, sounds. And I mean essentially like, with like. A mode, for example you can get something that's more bass than an electric bass alright, so label.
Want Those subwoofer. Rattling. You, know crazy. Big. Warm room filling bass, sounds, as opposed to like an electric bass of, course with some pedals you can get that too but I think that may have a lot to do with it because, people are just kind of like and I want to hire our bass player like, now let's just make this sweet noise on the computer or with the synthesizer, yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're out there for sure still sorry then araújo once again I was. Just there's something you can't get the smoothness. Of an. Electric bass you know the slides you can't get that on the computer no. Way man, I've tried, when I'm laying down an idea and it's like okay, screw this I just gotta cook on my face yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, kind of funny I was actually at the Moog factory last. Last. Weekend I was back in near. My parents place in the, Asheville region, for. Thanksgiving. And went. And did a behind-the-scenes, tour of the Moog Factory in oh they, do have some super. Awesome. Since. It put like. These fat, bass sounds, right, I mean they had like, they, look like cabinets, I mean that's what they used to take around with them I mean now they've got a lot of them where it's condensed, into one keyboard. But, they, had all these old cabinets, and stuff well, you know yeah 50. Little connecting. Cables. Bitching. Out to make the different sounds but awesome, oh yeah, dude that's killer I've never actually been there yet I would love to go yeah, it's worth the stop it's easy downtown. Nashville mmm, yeah. Just imagine Herbie Hancock playing that community, hahaha, that's. So epic to think about right, yeah, right that's, cool dude yeah especially I mean that's, weird to me too I'm like still. Kind. Of. Intimidated. By those like. I've definitely seen, guys, on, tour, with. Not. Really huge ones but I mean there's guys that would literally you know there's a whole band playing instruments, and then there's like there, was this one band we played with I forgive it they were called there was one guy in the band was literally just sitting there patching. Cables like. Walla dude was playing the synth yeah pretty, wild-looking, and. I was like whoa there's some weird sounds coming out of that thing yeah. What. That's, an appeal of it you can really get sounds, that. Nobody else can get yeah, yeah just, turn a lot of knobs yeah, that's. Essentially. When. I was in school I had a roommate, who was from. Italy and that's what he was pretty much there for is, just kind of manipulation. Of sound in real time and that was his live show is you, know kind of going through the filters, and using this sawtooth. And, using and, that's I mean that's all he did on stage and you. Know put a beat behind it and that's that's, what it was all about is. Exploration. Of sound and and and, having fun with it it's, kind of kind of an interesting way to look at. The. Live, show, right, I was gonna say wonder if there's people like crowd surfing there and like mosh pit like. Yeah. I mean it's it's, kind of like that electronic. Sounds. That that's. Very popular, over in the Europe oh yeah. Yeah. That's, pretty wild man yeah, it. Was cool you. Know you would think with the electronic, music being so popular these days and, like. Especially music that's danceable. You would think that the bass would get. A bigger spotlight, because. Yeah I mean. It. Drum. And bass and have a great you. Know great dance. Rhythm, section, yeah, but like Randy was saying it's kind of about that sub, bass it's around like 30. Hertz to like 60. Hertz and where you can kind of like feel. It where as I, see. Bass says. 80. Do it just, a little bit higher yeah, 82. You, know anything up to. 250. That's right at higher rate yeah, it's. And. Beyond because you have obviously can go way up high on the on the face but it's, it's um. And. It generally tend to see with with. With. Sub bass, you.
Don't Have a lot of quick lines it's it's kind of whole. Note e half, note e kind, of and sometimes. The entire song is just, one note one note you know one sub frequency, and you may have it you might have like a sub drop or something like that but. Where is obviously the bass you can have a lot of melodic, lines you move around a lot and it's. Got its. Got that higher frequency that. Kind. Of occupied, a little bit more so I where I do see, what you're saying I just see I. See. Dance music get a little bit more in that. Right. They did a lot of those like a low octave pedal all the time yeah there, you go, we'll, see that's a way around it I mean five, string bass octave, pedals. And seems, like you can still achieve that, oh yeah. I mean I think I. Guess. I also think. What's. The guy's name the, guy who did the sound design for like Star Wars and, wall-e and, stuff like that I forget his name legendary. Dude though and he talks about how we have this. Category. As part of our brain where we have like. Just. A special slot. For, movie sounds, and stuff like when you punch someone that you have that typical like you, know, yeah end of town which, is actually just like them like cracking a piece of celery or something yeah I feel. Like we've started to develop that too for music, and like especially, because electronic, music is so prominent every, genre you here has, the electronic, aspects, to it and like I mean. Every jam band I hear the bass player very, rarely is just playing a bass with no effects on it you know like if, it's dance ear it's, definitely. Least. Like an OC to you know or like something like that usually. I've. Seen ones that don't even have a bass player, it's just a guy playing. Synth. Yeah. But, because of that stuff people will start to kind of get. The idea that they. Hear the bass sound and, it's. Not actually a bass it's just a synth you know does that make sense yeah yeah I. Feel like so they've started to kind of get. A library. For what they believe to be a bass sound and that's what they want to hear though because that's kind of popular you, know it's definitely more. Popular. To hear a synthesized. Bass versus, a real one yeah we're making one on the computer or whatever I'd love to see EDM with a bassist, that'd be great, I'll. Get pretty tight. Yeah. I feel, like there are bands that definitely. Get, into that arena, there I mean if i watch sts9.
It's, Got that like it, feels like EDM with a live band which. Is its I like listening to I don't wanna I likes, it I would like to see them live oh man, have you ever seen him I have, not no, they. Just. They're. So cool dude they just got a. Chick. Bass player I forget her name she's, ridiculously. Good she was playing gospel before oddly, enough - oh yeah yeah and then this electronic, game bands like yo come do, this medium stuff with us they, they sound really good, they you're right like they do it they have a really good feel. For getting. The dance music with an electric bass yeah, I mean I think every, real instruments. Right the whole band yeah, and then sometimes, they're running samples while they're doing their stuff okay. He's. Got I mean part, of that comes cuz the drummer's got a real like, hip hop kit like it's like he's, got the piccolo snare and, he's got, he. Gets that electronic, sound out of his drum kit - right, and he's probably got I think he's got one of those like pad. Like trigger pad thing right yeah right oh so he can hit the yeah. Okay. Got, it and now Randy's got it in now Joey you have to do it to. Let. Us get into some of that too. Necessarily. As much. Like. That but when I've seen them live. Late. Night they I mean they get really, I'm. What do you call like trance, hop and it's very yeah, that. Was good work for it yeah. I'm. Gonna I'm gonna coin that if anybody wants to use it. No. I'm. Kidding but yeah. Let, us let us definitely gets to do it I think it's a thing that's happening in the I mean. Even on my Sirius XM radio jam chronica, happens. Certain. Nights of the week which is their, electronic. Jam band stuff right, yeah. I mean to like, I think, that. The. Electric bass actually plays a better role than synthesizer. Just, if you can because you just get the expressive, more and like I forget. Which one of you early were saying well, like getting like the slides you know or even just like a muted note like yeah that kind of jakka we do, that. Kind of stuff. Like that like it's. A lot harder to achieve for. Me at least on the keys I mean, I know keys players that can do that no problem, yeah I just. Think it's it's a better fit it just also looks way cooler to, me, ya, know when I go to a show I want to see like a guy with a bass you know that's what I like, I'm looking at what, if I see a guy actually. Would be pretty cool to see a guy with like a keytar to. Dance. With a guitar. Like instrument, on your ear. On you rather than be in second the. Keys but. So. What. What, kind of bass do you play so. I have. My. Go-to basis this sweet. Ku delle five string it's, custom, made it, was made in Japan and I actually found it used on, reverb. And. It's, it's. Five different kinds of woods so I'm, not even gonna try to list them all cuz I don't remember exactly what they all are right but. It, has. Bartolini. Pickups. 18. Volt active preamp and it. Weighs seven pounds, so. That was my favorite part about the bass like as soon as I saw seven pounds I was like ah this thing looks amazing like I don't even care what it is I just wanted a light base for tour and, then I got it and it's just a tone monster, it's I mean I can make it sound like Jaco, I can, make it sound thick and warm. Like, it's, just honestly the best bass I've ever owned. And then my backup bass is a, Brubaker which is made here in Baltimore. By. A guy named Kevin Brubaker mm-hmm. And it's. A five string two I typically, go with five strings just because I mean it's kind of a standard nowadays I feel like you. Know a lot of times of having, that low E flat or that low D right. Even, just a little bit - it's just nice to have it just feels better to me yeah, but.
Those Are my to go to bases, and then I have a fun one home as a, six-string, ibanez a. Premium. Or prestige, I forget what it's called but. I strictly used that one just to record it with and honestly to like learn all my base chords with cuz. It's a six string so, I'm trying to like you know, learn a bunch of thundercat lately look I love that guy I don't know if you got some familiar with Thundercat I know the name oh man. Check him out when you get a chance he's. Ridiculously. Good, Grammy. Award-winning, like bassist, and singer, he's. Worked with people like Erykah Badu actually, funny, enough too so. When, you listen to his music you would not expect this but he was also in suicidal, tendencies, for a little bit oh yeah, yeah. Pretty wild because his music is like it's. Like soul. Like, it's beautiful like neo-soul kind, of stuff mmm. But, he makes it funny so it's, like imagine if tenacious d did, like soul, music okay, yeah, it's really pretty but it's hilarious, like, you have songs about his cat which his name is Tron and like just hilarious things, like that so. Check out Thundercat, when you get a chance for sure yeah yeah. That's, awesome man yeah. So those are my vases, did. Say, you do. You recommend, like so if somebody was learning. To play bass do. You recommend starting. On a four string and then moving up to a five string, no. I recommend, them starting, on a nine string and moving down. Yeah. Exactly start, hard just, kidding we, recommend a four just. Because I mean I like. To think about the way people's brains, work that like don't. Know anything, about it I mean when I was approaching, it like a four was. Just how I, thought. Of a bass and that's how most people think of bass you know like when I look in yours in the background there I'd see I knew, instantly you know my brain knows that's a bass even if I wasn't a bass player so. To me it's I recommend. People start on four string for sure do. You do you think it's when. You move to a five string from a four string is there I mean. Getting a fat or neck does, that mess you up pretty bad for a while and on that. I don't know if that low B string rings. Out if you're not careful. Yeah definitely, does I, mean. I got in the five-string pretty quickly because. I saw, a bass that, I wanted. Like, a year, or two into playing and I was just like I don't care if I know how to do that like yeah I need that by spring it was too beautiful yeah. And. I kept noticing like. At. The time you know it's playing like a lot of rock and roll so like we were tuning, down a drop D you know like the teenagers, love to do um. And, I. Just got sick of tuning, down and then tuning up the next song and I was just like I just want to get a five string. It. But I mean it'll, mess you up pretty bad only because it takes a little bit for your hands to get used to but I mean, like. To me you just have to be willing to suck no, matter what if you're approaching and playing music you know you, guys know what I'm talking about yeah you go through that struggle to play a G chord and then all of a sudden you can like solo within a couple years you know yeah it's. Just practice, thing for sure and, what what. What's your what's, your rig look like my. Rig yeah, oh man. So. I. Heard. Real bass players don't use rigs. So. I have a. Yeah. I always tell people to they're like what kind of strings to use I'm like I don't use string I, just. Wish my notes into this. So. I use I. Got, a 115. Cabinet. And ampeg and. I got a 410, and PEG cabinet, and I've had both of those since I was like 15, years old they've just been super, reliable they sound great and they're not that heavy and. Then. For. My amps I have a, backup, amp is an, ampeg. Porter flex 500 and, that thing is cool it, sounds like a bass amp you know, made. By Aunt Peg super reliable super, easy to fix if something goes wrong, but, my main one is one, that I never.
Knew Existed by a company called quilter, have you guys ever heard of them no I have heard of quilty oh man. Check out quilters, stuff they're so good so I came, across this thing on the internet because my. Amp. I had, an ampeg svt 3. Which. Is like you know the classic yeah, vague sound right. And it was all tube and so, cool I love that it but I just, got it fixed finally, actually but um right. Before tore that thing fried, on me guy, was like about to leave that day to go to Colorado and I was like oh my god I can't believe this happened so, when online really quick and found. This amp that was like the highest recommended, like lightweight amp and it was made by a company called quilter, and it's. Called the base block 800, and this, thing is probably. About this. Big it's. Like 3 to 5 pounds if that and it's, so. Powerful 800, watts there's 4 knobs on it they have little graphics over the knobs so like for me I like simple stuff right, and this thing is a powerhouse, it's. So, it. Can get so loud and, it. Just has the best tone that matches my bass like no. Matter what bass I plug in 2 I have fun in love with that amp I honestly want to get another one so, that I can like a be 2, different tones with it hinges have. A full, stage of quilter madness. Yeah it would be awesome. And. Then i loved-ed low volumes oh yeah. Yeah totally and I mean it has like a little headphone, input. On it it's, all it's all the essentials, it's got your game. Master. Volume and then it has to. What they call contour. Knobs yep, which is like it's like your eq's, but. They. Have cool d the these cool little graphics, I wish I had it with me I'll show you guys, but. They have a cool little graphics, over top so like you, know because sometimes. I. Have a brain that overthinks a lot so if I look at an amp with ten, knobs I'm just like oh man, sometimes it's intimidating I know what all of them do but sometimes I'm like I don't want to read words right now I'm on stage there's lights flashing right so when I look over that little guy and there's just two knobs I can mess with you. Know that aren't just volume and gain I'm like okay, this little picture is right there and this is nice from my simple mind because I just, needed like that. And. Then. Moving. Forward. So, I I use all Fender, Custom Shop Kate - I love those, cool. Yeah the braided kind cuz they just wrap nice and easy yep, you, know we all know at the end of the night that's the tough part wrapping. Cables and stuff. Your. Cables, man right and then I just got this pretty sweet tone sob pedalboard. With, like a case and stuff. It's a fanciest, thing I've ever had I just, built my own before um. Look, like dresser drawer handles on it and stuff but, uh it, works. It. Does I actually, knew a couple guys in in, one of my old bands well. He knew a guy but he actually got these old sewing. Like. A sewing, machine, case. It looked like a little mini suitcase, oh yeah, in, rows it's. It makes for a great pedal. Board oh yeah. Put in there and it's you put your power source underneath, it's. A little small for you, know it's only like I'm. Gonna put. A foot. In half maybe by right, over a foot right, you can make some cool I've seen some cool custom, pedal, boards for sure oh man that's a way better idea than what I used. But. Uh well, yeah I just got this nice fancy one looks like looks, like an old-school like, 50s. Like Chevy car as like a racing, stripe on it guys, oh yeah. And then uh so, I got like. Let's. See what a cord, pitch-black tuner. Which. I love cuz they're very easy to read mmm. I got an mxr compressor. Which. Is pretty cool it's very versatile, I use it mostly as a boost now. Right. But, when I was doing you know a lot of between like slapping. And regular technique like just on-the-fly that.
Compressor, Came in handy, when. You're slapping, it it really helps kind, of hone in the sound the, compressor does yeah, and you know I, noticed. That, with. The brubaker and other bases like I don't, know if it's just a technique thing like I don't like to try and rely on the pedal you know. But. Essentially. I've just been i've only been learning slap for like the past like two or three years like really actually getting into it so. I noticed when i do it live you know the sometimes the volume just isn't there so people say you know use the compressor. But. With, the coup della that, base I was telling you guys my main base yeah I don't, even need it like it's because it's got two batteries it's it's 18. Volts and I mean it that thing Wow. Yeah, Wow, okay. Cranks yeah. Not. Messing around. Honestly. I didn't even know that and I like was, playing around on it one day and I don't if you guys are familiar with like active electronics, but like you know Janna has that. Stuff. Art out a little yeah yep uh-huh and. I was like oh my god and I opened up the back and I was like wow there's two batteries, in here holy cow. Yeah. That's, cool, and. Then I have a bunch of fun pedals, like I got a. I. Got. A uh was, the sound blocks pro envelope, filter. Which. Has like bunch, of cool programmable, stuff about it um, I'm. Mostly just uses for clackin yeah I'm mostly disease but it actually so, the cool thing about mmm. This one is, they. They also make a distortion. Pedal and, they. Make this thing called hot hands which. Is like this little magnet, it's. Like this little cloth. Ring thing you put on your finger and then it has a magnet, in it that allows you to like you, can essentially create like this dubstep. Bass like. Kind. Of stuff really, yeah, it's, really tight dude. The. Company, is called source, audio and, they're. The only people that have it I think they like patented it and I believe. The. Singer, slash I, don't. Know what you can't like a sound engineer like. She created a lot of stuff her name's Imogen, Heap she. Created this a bodysuit, that. Like she. Just can move and it like creates pitches, and, there's. The oh dude it's so crazy guy look at Imogen, Heap one day she is like a genius she's helped develop like all, these, crazy things in the synth since, world and stuff awesome. Yeah but, I believe she, had something to do with developing this little thing I used. To have one the only problem is the ring is like you, know really small so. If you lose it. Guitar. Pick very. Well. Yes I just have the. Envelope. Filter on my board and then I have octave. Pedals for days like I love the POG because, if I take a bass solo you know I'm it. Sounds really cool it gives you that kind of reverb, II sound. Too and then. But the the main one I used. Like. With broccoli Samurai for share was toc2. Was, just the low. Octave you, can even go two octaves, below with that you just got to be nice, and careful make sure you have a system that can, handle it because if. You don't you're not gonna hear anything right, right. Yeah so. That's, pretty much my rig alright for. Right now yeah and use, that on tour, with broccoli Samurai yes, sir and. How long were you on the road with those guys, so. I was on the road for almost. A year Wow, yeah.
And, It's. Kind of a crazy story cuz. My. Friend Mike actually, he. Toured, with the band called mr. F and they, did 12 days in Colorado together and. Something. Happened with them and he. Called me and it was like man you got there's an opportunity like you gotta take coz I've been kind, of looking, for an established, band that and just needed a bass player and I was like I just want to go tour I want to try it out see if I can yeah and I've, been looking and looking and. Then. I just you know this name popped up and I was like I've heard broccoli Samurai like a pretty sure I've seen them and I remembered, two a year prior I'd, seen them in Baltimore and I was like they were good but, I really wish that I was playing bass for them the whole time I was watching them, so. Anyways yeah so we got, together in November. Last year and I auditioned, and then. Uh I got in and it was just weird because these, three dudes from Ohio. You, know picked a dude from Maryland, right, they even drove to where, I was teaching at the time at. The Frederick Rock School to audition. Me and then. And then I went to the show in Baltimore that night huh we hung out hit. It off and then they were like yeah do we want you full-time um, so, I played one, date in Cleveland. They kind of like just you know get used to how it was because I had no idea what I was getting into and. To be honest I didn't even really know these guys um. Yeah. But we, just hit it off the musical chemistry was there, and. Then, from there I had like a month, to learn all. The rest of the material that I didn't play at the show right, and we wrote some new stuff like on the spot that was just kind of we treated, sort of like a jazz band because. Uh my. Guitar player and my drummer were actually jazz musicians, as well like. They studied at University, of Akron, and. I'm. Not sure about Bruce, I think he was mostly self-taught, he was he was dope too, but. Then yeah we we hit it hard January, 31st was. Our second. Date but like our first date of like tour, and. That was in Colorado which I had never even been there before right I mean I'm at I imagine that whole experience, of just meeting. New people and, then. Jumping. On tour with them and playing shows is. Intimidating. And, nerve-wracking. And and just. Wow I mean that talked about like just jumping. Into the ether. Yeah. Man it was it was like, jumping. Into. Like. I mean I yeah ether or like a pool where you didn't know the, bottom was ten, inches down or a high thousand, feet right, or if you were gonna get sucked into a wormhole honestly. Like yeah it was it was pretty wild and it was definitely intimidating, yeah, just. Not knowing them you. Know and being like wow these guys have been doing this forever and this is my first time like you, know I think the drummer was the, newest, in, comparison, to me but he had still been touring with this band for two years right well.
At The end of the day I just kept trying to remind myself like dude. You've been playing music for like 16, years so like even though you haven't toured your. Main part of your job is going to play music so like you've got this and but. I had never played in front of crowds like that. Getting. A play with like, especially, this one band they're, called pigeons playing ping-pong and they're really blowing up right now right yeah you know pigeons. Yeah. So, we got to like open for them a bunch of times. And that. Was huge, shows, like to me like you know it. Was like 500 sometimes. Like a thousand, people and, those, guys sellout every, show so like us getting to open was like holy. Crap it wasn't like people were waiting outside for pigeons, either they were coming in because you. Know they, they're, there for pigeons but they that's, the cool thing I think about the jam scene too is, people. Are always they were always so supportive like, of whether, we were opening or if we had an opening band you know they were there. The whole time supporting. Every act that's cool yeah, you know sometimes you get the people there like a screw, the opener like we're just going for this one you, know one act and then we're out of there before they're done right, you know which I understand, too sometimes. Mmm. Cuz you know sometimes, you just want to go to bed or whatever. Supportive. Man it's all about supporting, the bands that's really is I mean, if you're in the jam band music you're, in to hearing new, things and you want them to improvise. And go off the beaten path I mean I make write you, want to hear the. Other band yeah, I'm, always searching for new new, good music yeah, man I mean you're wearing an unfree shirt I would assume so those guys are killer I got to open for them once two at a Mountain, Music Festival, oh man that was that, was very intense, like. You know I was like in the middle of a bass. Solo and this one song that. We actually was a lotus song that we used to cover called read the mind and I, always started, it with like a bass solo thing because my my guitar player just was like throwing. Me this stuff he'd be like yeah I take a solo take a song I'm like damn I'm not used to this you know like, I got put in the center of the stage with this band too, so. That. Was pretty that was pretty cool because you, know that thing you guys were bringing, up earlier like, is the, base the center it, was so weird for me cuz, like I've. Always. Been down to just chill in the back you know like especially like learning jazz like, I was like tucked in the corner of like a restaurant, if we were playing or like you know just. Sort of knowing, my part cuz the job of the bass player is you know your, foundation. But, yeah the foundation. And you're the part that like a lot of times isn't seen you know I think about the foundation, the weight like it's, the foundation of a house yeah but nobody complements your foundation, of your house right I mean, you're, not digging up your dirt to be like yeah check out how sweet my foundation, is.
We're. Looking at your walls and the pain and everything but. Yeah then I got in this band and from, the first show I was like you know we're how do you guys setup or whatever and they were like well this is how we used to do it but like. I guess after practicing, because, I I get into it I like dancing and you know jumping around stuff. Like that and they they were kind of like well we're boring we're putting you in the middle not. That they're boring but like my guitar player literally said that to me and I was like oh man are you are you for real like, based, air gets be, in the middle this is crazy, dude so. From there on out that's how it was but anyways getting, back to this mountain, music festival thing we're opening for Humphries yeah yeah. It. Was just that. Was a very intimidating moment. Because I knew they were there I'd, seen the dudes unloading, all their stuff from there in. Their trailer, or whatever right, and I. Remember being in the middle of a bass solo mmm, and like I kind of peeked around like, that. And. I saw like, I. Forget. Their names but definitely, the, bass player and a couple of the people and then dudes from like perpetual groove, we're like well. No. Oh, man, don't, choke. And. Back around and keep playing I was like I cannot look at them right now. Huge. Crowd over looking at musicians, I admire like while I'm playing any day you know. So. I'm. Freeze to me it's like gotta. Be one, of the tightest. Jam bands like I mean I love I love fish, a lot but fish. Is more of an exploratory. Experience. I feel like an Dumfries. Does do that in live shows but they have this I think, it's because they're like metal, background. Some of them but. It's so, so, tight like. Synchronized, licks. And things I really. Enjoy listening to them oh yeah, man I mean and, to me he like, that's. Like that's a cool thing you bring up because that like to extremes. You know that you probably, would, see playing a festival, together you know look at them bill, like a headlining, yeah, like, I'm personally. More of a numbers guy it just it's like I have more of a metal background, you know I have a beard. Yeah. I mean, I love fish too. Wait. Did you ask me a question I'm sorry no. I was, just I was just not. Finish you know talking about talking about how um freezes you. Know how, it really impresses me to watch I'm freeze yeah, they, impressed me too and I mean. Actually. Uh I've. Saw, them at the anthem, with Marcus King oh yeah. Yeah, that was a great show I also love Marcus, King he is so. Awesome he's young right and, he's probably, like 22, or 23, right now yeah they have such a good like soulful, blues rock, oh he's. Like a little mini Warren Haynes that's how i oh yeah i'm an important. Voice in the yes to be 35 oh yeah, dude and oh, and whatever amp he uses is just freakin. Glory. But. Warren. Haynes count took him under his wing for sure that makes sense yeah, well, i'm i was watching videos of them yesterday just like oh, man they sound so good oh yeah, i mean there's this one. Have. You ever heard of jam, in the van yeah. Yeah. They. Do one and they play one, of my favorite songs called. Plant your corn early check, that out do you okay and it's just funky. And tight, almost, everybody gets so low it's a great tune plant. Your corn early, yeah, love.
It Oh, Marcus. King van mm-hmm. Yeah. Another. Good one mmm. That I like is Wolf Pack oh yeah. There's. Their sick. Their. Bass, player is really. Fun too I mean I love listening to him alone, in but, the bass bling is he's like the only guy who doesn't switch instruments right, like, really, good at bass yeah, I mean that's sexually, uh so. For a long time. Me. Personally like I've strived to sound like Jaco. Yeah and there it's, one that is just so, impossible to do. Because. It's Jocko. But, I mean it you know you, get to a point where you sound like them but you're never gonna sound like that cuz you stop you all right it's exactly right but. Definitely when Jo dark came out I was just like oh my god a guy like, like. We you know same, exact style like everywhere, I've played. Not. To brag but like, I love when people come up and they're like dude you sound just like Joe dart you sound just like the guy from Wolf Pack come one yes that's what I want cuz yeah super. Funky and yeah. Super, funky that's been such a good sound really. Yeah. They, I love it when they bring in Antwon to, sing Oh last. Name it, was like 16 12 and funky, ducks and uh, there's. There's, a couple new what they think they just released like a new album. Or something like that but. I. Don't. Remember they. Asked how much material now it's yeah when. I looked them up at first I was like oh how, new is this band but they already had like five. Albums worth of stuff yeah yeah yeah, what one, of the big things I really liked about both peck is that they're when. I have a bunch of friends around that maybe aren't is musically. Inclined I can put on both pack and people. Are like this is really, cool like yeah yeah, you lend to the masses while being, very. Interesting. Like it's appealing to me as a musician as well whereas. Um freeze I you know if I pick the right song I can I can, get non-musicians. Into it but Wolfpack. It's like people like this is so so. Fun to listen to you yeah yeah, sure, it's just mass appeal, man like yeah yeah yeah. I. Don't. Know if you guys know mm-hmm, their story, either cuz. I don't remember. All the details right now but like how they took over Spotify, and stuff and they had their like silent, album and stuff like that I did. Not hear anything oh yeah, me and um, man. Names are just escaping me it's the morning but, uh you. Need coffee not water in your. Buzz. However. Whatever you gotta want to get it. But. I. Think his name's Jack Stratton, he's, the guy with the glasses Yossi he's always the one changing, instruments, like okay. Less beard taller. He's, usually playing guitar or some. Part of the drums like you, guys know the song Dean town oh yeah oh yeah, that's. My favorite phrases. Those. Guys when they're playing it and Joe, just starts with it. Yeah. Yeah sings. The whole bass freeze. The. Whole crowd is like you're by my dad might have a tub there's. Like like tens, of thousands of people singing, a bassline, that that it's, epic, like you you know young, your job as a bass player when you accomplish that yep yeah, thank. You full. Effects like crowd involvement, when I was at locking, they they, opened lock-in a couple years ago. Lock-in, festival, in it's clear Charlottesville, Virginia and Oran clean. They. Actually had the. Different sections of the crowd sing the harmony haha, they, were, pretty. Successful it, was they had three, a three-part, harmony going when, you have 20,000, people who I mean obviously, not everybody was getting it but it was good enough to be you could hear the you, could hear it yeah. Cool. I wanted. To hear that from the stage. I'm sure variety from within the crowd that would be hard to hear the harmonies but on stage, to actually be able to hear all the different parts yeah, be really, interesting. Yeah he, like had each section, sing their part way he did like three, takes with each section he's like okay everybody ready to do it together. While. The band was doing, you know the band just kept playing yeah. Sick yeah, full effect both effects worth checking out oh man, a game-changer dude yeah.