Metal Vs Carbon: Which Bikes Are Better? | GCN Tech Show Ep. 3
This. Is s100 at the Tour Down Under. And. I'm gonna be bringing you the latest and greatest tech, that. These guys are using God, guys and, of. Course having already got an amazing, tan, I've stayed back here and our beloved maintenance, set where I will be bringing you this week's big, debate, metal. Versus, carbon and of course the second, induction, into the gcn tech wall of fame with little cameo and, captain retro. What's. Hot in tech this week well for a start my body is absolutely scorching, yet, sadly though that is not tech far, from it I would just actually like to thank though on that note the people of Adelaide, for making us feel so welcome, here. At the Tour Down Under, your comments, on how much you love GCN and everything we do is just been absolutely outstanding and, I'd really like to thank you all for coming up to us and telling us now time to raise the temperature just a little bit more as if I need to how about these digital. Soul heated, insoles spotted recently, at the Consumer, Electronics, Show in Las Vegas now the temperature range on these insoles is actually between thirty and forty five degrees centigrade, and it's controlled through an app on your phone they. Also track, where you've been now presumably that's also through the app and not through a GPS, unit inside, of the inner sole as that, would be a little bit overkill, I think now to charge up the insoles it's simply a USB, cable and the battery life is between two to six hours depending. On your desired, output of, temperature. Weight-wise, are coming it between 120. And 160, grams, and finally, price is $199. I think, I'd probably pay that actually so I wouldn't get cold feet during the winter now I wonder if I can get a pair in time for my arrival back at GCHQ. One, thing's for certain though, I do not need them right now in fact I need ice, cold insoles, now. Cask together with Team Sky have been working very closely together to bring you this this is the brand new utopia helmet, which we just saw launched a couple of days ago now the purpose of it is to have an aero helmet, which is suitable for use even in hot weather conditions, and believe, me the squad of Team Sky they've been using it down here at the Tour Down Under and the temperature has been reaching up to 40 degrees centigrade now, that is hot now according, to tests by cask it actually saves six Watts over its nearest rival at 50 K an hour that's, you, know quite considerable mate really isn't it now the weight of it is 235. Grams in a size medium and there's nine ventilation, ports on there now, I'm gonna have some more tech few later on in the show so stay tuned cheers, for that tech roundup John I'm not gonna lie the temperature, in Adelaide it does sound bloody lovely right now although not, entirely sure that sunburn is a stronger. But anyway, while you have been stalking professional. Cyclists I haven't had a great fun going through the comments that we - this week Hot Topic metal.
Versus. Carbon, now as we suspected, there are some very strong, opinions out including this, one from Dave Ross death. To, all but metal. And. Then some, still emphatic but, it's slightly mellow comments, like this one it from bundles, who said I dearly love my old aluminium, trek 1000, but, I hopped on my first, carbon, bike last week and as soon as I touch the pedals it took off like a snake, had bitten it, it's, heaps of fun, you know I know that feeling totally. So. I think, we should probably start with, some, facts okay if, you, want the lightest, the, stiffest, and the most aerodynamic bike, you. Will have to have one that is made out. Of carbon fiber I'm. Sorry but. You will let's, start with the weight penalty for, a start the lightest carbon frames are about, 350. Grams lighter than, the very lightest, aluminium, one it's titanium about, same 350, grams heavier and then, steel, is even, more that's about 700. Grams heavier and that is for the very very lightest. Ones stiffness. Yeah, metal frames can be made as stiff as carbon but the weight penalty would be even greater and then from an aerodynamics, perspective. Due, to the properties of carbon it can be sculpted into, the necessary aerodynamic, shapes to a far greater extent than, a, metal, one so. On paper. A carbon. Frame should, be, faster, than, a metal one and as. Important that is that is to some of us it, is still not, the be-all and end-all this. Reliability, for a start and as we found out when we went to the control tech factory back in autumn. Do, you think is interesting that carbon, has clearly. A greater resistance to fatigue whereas, aluminium, clearly. Has greater. Resistance, to, impact metal. Frames should theoretically, have, a higher impact strength, than, carbon. Fiber and that could come in really, useful, for if the worst happens, because let's face it your frame is probably the most expensive part of your bike and John Pernell agrees. In the comments, he says that he's got both carbon, and aluminium and, whilst, he feels his carbon bike is so much faster and more comfortable the aluminium has, had probably half a dozen crashes, including, cross. Scarily a full-on, run over by a car in which it mostly, survived, quite sure all that is but. Still runs fine and for that reason alone he feels more affinity for the workhorse, metal, and, also another comment from Pat Caballero, which I agree with in the most part though there is one thing I take exception to we'll get on to that in a moment he, said let's keep it metal for a liability I could not imagine touring, the Altiplano, on my own on a carbon, bike without fear of it going wrong agree. With that and, then he said besides with the right brands our metal tubing, you, can have the best of both worlds super reliable and super, light now. I'm not so sure about that you, say in my opinion when you're making anything, super, light you, sacrifice, an element, of its reliability, simply, because there is less material, there and that's, true of carbon, and also, metal no matter what the alloy is or what its properties, there, is just less of it and of course a lot relies on the, design and engineering, of it and, actually as well it's worth remembering that carbon, frames can be repaired, maybe, not in the ability now to planner granted, but, modern, steels or many of them anyway cannot, be repaired and neither can, early minium no matter where you are but.
This Whole robustness, reliability, thing does, hide, a really important point I think and that is that metal bikes can feel really. Robust, feel, really, reliable - right and I think that's part of the reason why I love, my aluminium, cyclocross bike so much and also my, steel road bike what, about price though that really matters. And I think it's here you, get the real feather in the cap metal. Bite they, are much less expensive again, a gross generalization but, if you're looking at a top-end, metal. Bike frame off the shelf you'd, be looking at about, $1,000, perhaps whereas, and, off-the-shelf carbon frame would be like $2,000. And upwards. It actually got a great comment here from Chris Hudson who says in the 2,000, to 3,000, pound range, I reckon, metal bikes have the edge Mayson Kinesis, bowman three british brands seemed, for so much research into design unique, and interesting frames, at this price point he, then says it feels as their larger manufacturers, equivalent. Carbon frames simply inherit features. From their flagship, cousins which justifiably, but unfortunately, cost bum puckering, amounts, of money, and, it's. True carbon manufacturer, is a much more labor-intensive, process. Than. Making metal, bite it's kind of ironic really seeing as a lot of people seem to think that they still just pop out of the mold like some cheap plastic toy but, the more complicated the frame and the lighter the frame and the more labor-intensive, it, becomes, so, it is always going to be more costly and I guess and. Now lastly. Perhaps. Most importantly. Aesthetics. Oh yeah. Now, there is undeniably. A certain, look to a modern. Carbon fyke, Thomas. Soto says as much he says steel is real I prefer, steel but I love the new looks of carbon. And who's, to argue but, having said that there. Are no right or wrong to it I mean take, a look at this I dare you to disagree, that is an absolute. Stunner steel is real but. Then so. Is aluminium look, at this, an. Titanium. Life. And of course carbon, all, of them can, be absolutely amazing, arguably. Carbon, is lighter and faster as we said metal, more robust, certainly feels like it to ride but, they all scrub, up pretty, damn well at, the end of the day which is why I sit firmly on the fence just like Tyler Kurt's in fact in the comments who said his main bikes are, made out of carbon but he also has an aluminium langston. For commuting as well as all city macho, Kings and nature. Boys made out of Reynolds 85 three steel tubing, he then goes on say that he loves it carbon whites when he's really shredding on the road in the trees or on the cross course but both materials, have their purposes, and places, now, Tyler with the quiver of bikes like that you are truly a lucky, man that you also speak. Great, sense but we want to have the rest of you is well what do, you think are you a meddler. Or. Are. You a carbon. Carbona. But. Not say that anyway, let us know in the comment section down below which, side of the fence you sit on and why, or, in fact you, like Patrick, pecker arrow says that wood frames are better than either metal or carbon. Now, I actually don't know about that you have no opinion but I hope to rectify that situation in. The, coming year now do you make sure you, stay tuned as well next, week's hot topic, he's gonna be whether. Or not there is actually, a difference in high-end, frames, then of course as you just talked about come out of it bolt is there a difference between a, Civello, and a panoramic or a giant, and a, specialized. Get. Involved in the comment section. What. A fame another, thing I'm looking after whilst mr. Cannings snoops, around Australia. Now last week we inducted. Our very first, product, onto the gcn tech wall of fame a Campagnolo. Quick release and this week following, the suggestions, of our. Bastion Ben kickert, Bart, Carter, Alan Victor James cycle, and jarrod bell to, name but a few we, are going for brake, lever, mounted. Integrated. Gear, shifters, or more, commonly and conveniently, known as sti's. That's, right, Shimano total, integration, for it was the big s that, launched, this amazing, bit of tag onto, the road cycling world in 1990. With eight speed Shimano. Dura-ace. 7400. But interestingly and. This took me totally by surprise the, tech actually comes from mountain. Biking because the previous year in 1989, Shimano. Launched, rapid-fire, and with it they've brought ratchet. Mechanisms, to gear shifters, so one lever pulled, cable, and then a second, leaver released, that cable, in small. Increments, then, as I said it was the following year 1990. Where, they brought that tech into, a much-needed place over. On the road that's been lab right and tell us exactly how needed. It was we, need to hear from, Captain. Retro. Hello, mate where's. My costume sorry, mate that's.
Nice To get a guest appearance on the tech show but, now interestingly sorry, if GCN. Have been around, in 1989. I'll have blown the lid on a fantastic. Scoop of Shimano because although it's released in 1990, STI are actually used in, a prototype way in. 1989. I was riding a race called a Nissan classic in the back end of October. Of that year and I spotted very. Famous ride indeed Phil Anderson using, prototype. STI levers, and a must admit make it absolutely blew me away because at that time I wasn't, even using index, shifters, I was basically on simplex, restoration, retro shifted so it really was a proper, glimpse into the future and have blew a lot of riders away actually amazing, better it must genuinely have made a difference, to ride a speed actually like overall that convenience, of shifting. For me out of us but, I think fundamentally, for, Lance and what he said was it it worked really well but it was the ability to shift out, the saddle on climbs, that made a big difference to yeah, there we go then and actually quite. Amazingly, sti's. Didn't, really change a great deal today it took 20, years actually, for Shimano, to, get, rid of the cable that came out of the side of the shifters the only thing really was that the leaver heard ergonomics, changed I guess it, just it was a system that worked really well and when you're using the, old-fashioned, STI until about 2008, 2009, yeah that's right now Campagnolo meanwhile, followed. Suit quite soon after in there with ego power where they had got read of. The cables coming outside and also they want a lot of fans for brake levers that didn't move so she might obviously you have to move radios some, people prefer more, static, brake believer but, I think right, saying that actually by inventing, STI Shimano, kind of moved into pole position, in the road group set market it definitely was just a little bit more tactile, as well and it took quite a few years for camping and just sort of catch up and although I'd like a bit a camp AG okay again Shimano, was just that the feel of it that just that little bit different is far more tactile far more instantaneous, and I think with that system, they basically set the bar that high it was a long time before the fact other manufacturers all caught up who. Might just dropped a bombshell into the comment section so. Yeah you, know we'll, leave it there do make sure you, get involved in the comment section let me go easy on that whole Shimano can pack these but tell us what you would like to see inducted, onto, the gcn tech wall of fame for, next week we need product, number, three. Thinking about it but, I'd love to hear what you say but stop. The camera first first up I need a cape no. I, like a racing, cape. True. Can. We sort them out with a cape please. Now. Check out these hard to miss aren't they new specialized, s work shoes that we've spotted on the feet of quickstep floors riders this week of course they match up with those flashy helmets, that we also see. Information. On them it's actually quite sparse, other. Than I reckon, they'll be called yes work seven keep your eyes peeled though, and we'll reveal all at once we know for more information, so, when I saw this Bianchi, specialist, my CV from the other side of the expo I ran as fast as my flip-flops, would take me and I thought it was Marco Pantani's, double, winning bike of the Giro d'Italia and Tour de France back in 1998. Sadly. It's not but it's just a bike to commemorate, it what's. Pretty cool about it is perched on top of that seat post is a saddle sign by ill Parata himself, the. Legend Marco, Pantani. Now. I've just come across this pair of wheels whilst having a look round here these, are the zip four five four NSW's. And they're pretty unique as I'm sure you'll agree due to the Sawtooth profiling. Here on the inside of the rim which, according to studies actually make them more stable in crosswinds a pretty, important, feature once that wind starts blowing I'm sure you'll agree but, what makes this pair so special is that you actually can't buy them yep that's right they, are the tubular, version, now I've only actually seen a couple of pairs here and this. Pair are on the bike of management, of team Katyusha Allison and the other pair are on that of Nathan Haas have used the team leader for that squad here at the Tour Down Under, so who knows if we will actually see them go into general production, for the public.
So. Quickstep floors for, 2018, have made a switching, cockpit, sponsors, to Shimano's own brand Pro and it, would appear actually from looking around at some of the bikes that they've not got the full packages just yet but hey it's still early in the season and I'm pretty sure that once back in Europe all the bikes will be fully equipped with the pro range so on the bike here of Nicolas arm he's the team leader this year the Tour Down Under for team some web he's actually got the new Shimano power meter they've, actually replaced, pioneer, who were there last year sponsors, and I'll tell you what that's a very neat looking solution it's based there just in the spider and then with a sensor, on the inside, of the chainstay, I do like the look at that. Bike. Of the week time first though let's reveal last, week's, winning, bike, where we put together two bikes actually from the women's peloton and they were the bike of Canyon SRAM and that was the Kenyan ultimate, CF s LX and it was up against Trek drops and their Trek him under and with, a quite, outstanding, 77%. Of the boats the winner was and the. Winner was. The canyon ultimate, CF s LX of Canyon, SRAM now, I'd actually have that one here with me this one is tiffany Cromwell's bike which, she, very kindly loaned me and I do hope actually that, those votes, you weren't swayed by Simon Richardson's, love for that bike as, he described to us last week well. I'm, gonna go with a paint job fresh joy it's my favorite, color scheme in the world it's the canyon SRAM team, bike so this is don't let it influence you though. It's. The canyon cos. And. First, up we've got this specialised s-works venge bias disc, that. Is a mouthful, isn't it this particular model belongs to Elia Viviani of, quickstep floors obviously, we've got ourselves the aerodynamic, frame aerodynamic. Cockpit, Shimano dura-ace di2, with. Disc brakes yep. I hear the gasp from some of you already rovol, wheels a specialized, power. Meter down there as well as well, as a specialised tube saddle with carbon fiber rails so, now you've got to vote for either this and this. The factor, o2 of as you desire LeMond d out obviously, the factor o2 frameset, a black, ink handlebar. Stem and, seat post physique, Aliante carbon. Braided saddle Shimano, dura-ace di2, groupset, Mavic carbon cosmic Ultimates, down. There the ceramic, speed oversized, pulley wheel system and here. The, SRM, power crank so you not to do you need to vote up here for your favourite and next week we'll put another two heads ahead. Right. It's that time of the week it's time for the bike bolt where we wrecked your bike either nice or, super, nice now sadly I don't have my super nice horn with me this week it was taken. Away by the customs, officer of all things not to worry I begged borrowed and I stole actually, I just asked nicely and I've got this from. World Tour mechanics, here at the Tour Down Under listen. Out for that that's the sound of super, nice with, no further ado let's get started first, up Barry, Hershey, Leeds West Yorkshire, we've, got ourselves and.
Look Six. Nine five straight, away super. Nice, then. Who's, this we've got gavin truman of Swindon, in the UK as well coy Jota lent up game what looks like a, farmyard. Gate. And. They'll be at rubbish in the background though so I'm afraid Gavin, can't, really give that one super, nice sorry about that one mate next, up Ian Shepherd of Troy which he's got myself a KTM and he's got those orange bottle cages on there now those are the corporate colours of KTM, so I like what he's done he's actually done a little bit of matching there nice, one in fact super nice it's. Calling me down at least right. Now midget, class border of. Slovenia. Look at that specialised s-works that, that, is full of bling isn't it just check it out look at the gold detailing, super, nice no questions, I, need. This pull me down right. Finally, Ross Macdonald. From Messer in Arizona, in the u.s. look. At that specialized, s-works I love that paint job absolutely love it stands. Out a mile especially, with those logos so super, nice. Right. Now remember, to submit your bike from the bike bolt email. Us on the email address on screen right now and also let us know where you come from it really does help right, ah. Yeah. You're still here. So. We're, nearly at the end of the gcn tech show for this week but don't worry there is more great content coming up in the next week for you so tomorrow, sighs gonna be in the gcn tech clinic actually one of your problems Saturday. I take, a look at Triple World Road race champion Peters. Against pro bike that, is one not to be missed Sunday, we take a look at 650b, wheels on, Monday, yep, it, maintenance Monday, time and then next week we are back again with. GCN. Tech show episode, number four now, also, remember to like and share this video with your friends and do remember subscribe to the gcn tech channel by clicking on the logo on screen right now for, two more great videos, how about clicking down here because, I'm tech from the Tour Down Under and down here the size all Bayer pro bike now. I'm afraid I have to actually go myself I've got a plane to catch so all, the best and I'll see you back in the UK.