Michio Kaku | The Future of Humanity: Immortality & Our Destiny Beyond Earth - Coast to Coast AM ALT
Coming. To you from nashville tennessee this, is mysterious, matters, a program. For those who dare, to think in there, ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the program it's. Been a while since we've been back together and what a, magnificent. Show. We have lined up for you this evening, our, first, guest of season, four of the mysterious matters program we have on a world. Renowned. Theoretical. Physicist. By. The name of dr.. Michio. Kaku, and. Dr.. Kaku has a book out titled. The future of humanity. Terraforming. Mars, interstellar. Travel. Immortality. And our, destiny, beyond, Earth, if. After listening to this program you find that you're interested in reading this book you. Can always go to mysterious, matters.com slash. Kaku. But. If you're the type of person who might be more interested, in listening. To the book while. Also supporting this program you can go to mysterious, matters.com slash. Humanity. And with. That said dr.. Kaku welcome, to mysterious matters, okay, glad to be on well. When, it comes down to the future of humanity, there's, definitely several things weighing upon our minds right now when. It comes to the future, and, one of those has got to be hell, does. Humanity. How. Do we overcome the, shortfalls, of being human in order, to ensure that there is in fact an actual future, because right now we've. Got the situation in North Korea going, on we, have school shootings, going on we have all. Sorts, of violence, we have political. Disturbance. We have you. Name it it's probably going on so how do we overcome. These. Shortfalls, to ensure a. Future. Worth. Living. Well. We have two great threats, facing, us one is self-inflicted. Threats. Like global warming, like. Nuclear proliferation and. National. Aspirations. And antagonisms. And also. Germ warfare but, we also have natural catastrophe. Is like asteroid. Impacts, ice. Ages, super volcanoes, and, we. Need an insurance policy I want. To interview Carl Sagan, who said that he's all for space travel, and that we should become a two-planet, species, because, life is so precious that if. You put it on one planet, it could be extinguished so we need a back-up plan a plan B not. That we're going to move the entire population. Of the earth to Mars but. We need a settlement, on Mars in case something does happen to humanity on the planet Earth and that's, why he advocated being a two-planet. Species and, now we have Silicon. Valley billionaires, who are picking up on that message Elon. Musk of SpaceX, Tesla, Motors and PayPal is bankrolling. His, own moon rocket he mentioned, that mmm in Silicon Valley billionaire. Bankrolling, his own moon, rocket called. The Falcon Heavy which was launched just about three weeks ago millions. Of people saw that launch, and. They realized that it was historic, because after 50 years we're, now launching a moon, rocket, of real moon rocket, after a 50-year gap, financed. By somebody's. Private, checkbook this, is incredible, unheard of and NASA. Of course has its own moon rocket, so we actually may have a traffic jam over. The moon and, eventually. Over Mars huh, what would that be like I mean to have a traffic jam over, the moon or even a traffic jam over Mars because. Right now, it's. Kind, of hard for me to imagine. What it would be like are we talking something like a traffic jam as we as parents on the interstate, getting to work in the morning that's, right back in the 1960s. Space travel, was really only for the great powers in, 1966. The NASA budget was. 5% of, the entire federal, budget now. That's unimaginable, and that's unsustainable and, then, it soon collapsed, after we reached the moon now. We have the falling, price of space travel you, realize that the movie the Martian with, Matt Damon that, actually cost more, than. A successful. Mars mission, by the Indian, government just. A few years ago think, about that a Hollywood, movie can, actually finance, a trip to Mars that's, how it things have gotten now, the the. Chinese, have said that they want to plant the Chinese flag on the moon and then, on to Mars and so, we're seeing a rapid, falling, of the cost of space travel and then we have Silicon, Valley billionaires, like Jeff Bezos of Amazon and, Elon. Musk of SpaceX, they're opening up their checkbook who would have thought that opening.
Up Their checkbooks, to finance, a spaceport, in Texas, with. The fleet of rockets. Jeff. Bezos has, a fleet, of rockets already ready to, shoot tourists, into outer space he. Wants to set up an Amazon, delivery, system. From the earth to the moon and then. Elon, Musk as I mentioned is planning. Not just a moon rocket but a Mars rocket as well so. This would have been unheard of, back in the 1960s. But that's how much times have changed, since the Cold War mm-hmm, while, we're on the topic of space exploration. There's, definitely something that bothers me and, that is it, appears to me at least that. Our space program has been at a standstill for. A very long time now in terms. Of usable, technological. Advancements, back. Around the 1960s, we have the space capsules, and then. The 70s came around and we have the space shuttle and now it, just seems like we're reverted. Back to using, space capsules, it, just appears to me and you can correct me if I'm completely mistaken, that we're. Just not serious, about exploring space otherwise. The technology. Behind it would. Have progressed much further right yeah. Yeah, we had a 50 year gap spinning. Wheels around the earth many. People think that the space shuttle was in fact incorrectly. Designed, because, it was designed to handle passengers. And freight now. The thing of the train the train splits, Freight in one set of rails and passengers. In another set of rails because, they required different forms of maintenance different, forms of cars. And different, economics, we split, freight, and passengers. But. The, space shuttle was everything. To everybody so. It eventually became, nothing, to nobody it, became, a social expenses device. That it cost a billion dollars per launch well, let me repeat that again. 1 billion, dollars, per launch of this. Space shuttle, so, now we have reusable, rockets sponsored. By Elon. Musk's, SpaceX and. Remember. What happened after World War two with the coming of the used car market after. World War two we had all these GIS, were broke, who, couldn't afford to buy a car but. Then the used car market hit. And all of a sudden the, used car became part of American, teenage lore, same, thing is now happening with rockets these. The, rocket, that went up just three weeks ago the, Falcon Heavy was reusable. It came back he, came back to the launch pad and it could be fired up once again that. Means the cost of space travel could drop from $10,000, a pound which, is roughly your weight in gold if, you were to put yourself, in orbit around the Earth to. Perhaps, 1,000, dollars a pound that's a 10 that's a factor of 10 drop, in price. So. This is going to open up outer space for tourism for travel, for astronauts, for interplanetary, missions, if the cost drops by a factor of 10, which, is the goal of SpaceX. On the topic of SpaceX, just, recently Elon, Musk launched. A Tesla sports car a red, sports car into space with a mannequin, in the, driver's seat just, listening. To music or whatever he's doing you know mr. spaceman, and and. It captured, a lot of people's attention even. My mother asked. Me what's. The purpose for. Sending a car into. Space, so. Dr.. Kaku what. Is the purpose if there is one of, sending a car into space well, the. Short answer is it was a publicity stunt, because, Elon Musk realizes. That this, good publicity translates. To higher, stock, evaluation. Tesla. Motors this young upstart all, of a sudden, outpace. Ford, Ford, Motor Company, in terms, of his financial status. And so, Elon. Must understand, the laws of the marketplace, that, you do have to have a little razzmatazz to. To get the notice of investors, but, the main point is that the, Falcon Heavy was a, sheep it, was be a moon rocket, not just an ordinary rocket, and see, it was reusable.
And D. Is it is a prototype, for a mission to Mars, and that's, his goal he, wants to manatee to be a, multi-planet. Species, and, I think that's a that's a worthwhile goal because. It's too dangerous to put life on just one, planet Earth because, of course the dinosaurs, had, no space program and that's. Why they're no dinosaurs, here today because. The dinosaurs were helpless when that meteor hit, the earth 65. Million, years ago they're. Not here to debate the question considering. We have a limited, time together let's. Get into the topic of transhumanism. It, was, back around I guess it was 2015. I was spoke with Eve Herald on, the topic of transhumanism, and. This. Is definitely a topic very close, to me very dear to me on a personal level because. The early stages of transhumanism have, been keeping people alive that's. Close, to me people I love my, family members, my friends, that I know whereas. About 30 years or so ago there. Probably wouldn't be here today at all so. While. It is beneficial, there, are certain types. Of people usually. Extremely. Religious, type of people, who, have frowned upon and, even called, transhumanism, the. Work of the devil what. Are your thoughts about transhumanism. Yeah, you have to realize that since. Time immemorial the. Average, life expectancy, for. A human being was. Under the age of 30 think. About that for a moment the average, life expectancy. Since. The dawn of humanity. Was. Less, than 30 you. Basically, were born had, kids, and then. You died that's. What we have all these fairytales about you, know, stepmothers. And stepfathers, because. Most people are raised by their relatives, because their parents died and, so. You realize, it because of modern medicine, life, expectancy, went, from 30 to, like 75. And so, we've already, already. Lengthens. A life span of human, beings using artificial, means it's, all artificial. Vaccines. In surgery, and all these wonder, chemicals, that we have they're all artificial, and so, now the next step is perhaps genetic, we're, beginning to understand, the genetics, of animals the, Greenland shark for example, can live to four hundred, years of age we. Know that because the eyeball of the Greenland. Shark adds a layer every, year and you can count them like tree rings and sure. Enough they, can live over four hundred years of age so, animals, naturally. Can do it and one, day we're going to find the genes for aging - for, example where does aging take place in a car well. Obviously it's, the engine why, because, that's where you have moving parts and that's, where you have oxidation. Combustion, well. Where is the engine of a cell and that, is the mitochondria well. Bingo that's, where most of the aging takes place air, build-up, takes, place in the mitochondria, one, day we'll fix the, broken genes of the mitochondria, and extend. The human lifespan this. Is definitely a possibility, that I look into because to go to the stars would, require perhaps centuries and. It's. Good to extend, the lifespan so, you can make the journey when, it comes to extending. Human life at, one point if, you believe the. Christian. Bible. Humans. Were living, around. Seven, hundred nine hundred years of age, is. It even possible for. Humans. To live 700. To 900 years, of age back then or even today well. It depends on how you count the ages, the, yardstick, right there's no uniform. Yardstick, that we can compare with the ancients, to the yardsticks that we have today so. I think you have to take a look at it and more like allegorically. Since. We don't know what the yardsticks, were that. We. We can't compare, them one-to-one. Because. We could be making a very serious mistake because we don't know what the calibration, factor was true, that is true because while we count, 365. Days to be a year for us for. All we know back in those days, they, may have counted 90 days which is essentially, a season, to be a year and, but. But that is something we'll, never know because, there's, just no, documentation, showing how they measured years back. In those days right, right.
And, You know I like to look back at the words of Galileo because, Galileo, was scientific. He introduced measurements. And people. Asked him about these kinds of questions, and he said well religion. And science have two purposes the, purpose of science is, to determine how the heavens go the. Purpose, of religion is, to determine how to go to heaven so as. Long as we understand the difference between the two that, one deals with ethics. Like how to go to heaven the, other one deals with natural. Law that, is the laws of the universe then. There's no problems, and, so when we talk about religious. Texts, talking, about increments. Of time or a space you, have to realize that we, don't we can't calibrate it and therefore, it's not a statement of scientific, fact it's, a statement of scientific, faith how, to go, to heaven while. Science, is how, the, heavens go that. Is how we measure. Natural. Law do you feel that religion. Hinders. Scientific. Breakthroughs, such. As take, for example stem-cell. Research, well. I think as long as we keep these two disciplines, separate, we're okay now again, science. Deals with natural law religion. Deals with ethics, the problem, occurs when natural, scientists, begin to pontificate about. Faith. And religion. Or when, religious, people began. To pontificate about, natural. Law that's. When we get into big. Trouble okay, and so as long as we keep these two things distinct. Did I think they're complementary because, of course science doesn't, tell you what, good ethics are how, does lead a good life how. To become a good person science. Does not tell you that on the, other hand, religion. Does not tell you what's inside a proton, and so I, think that as long as we understand the difference between the two there are no problems mm-hmm. Yes, as, technology. Gets more intricate, and people. We. Just began burying ourselves, into, we'll. Language. Or social. Interactions. As a whole be, changing, because of the way we either allow or disallow. Technology. To transform, our lives, well, sometimes parents come up to me and say that their kids spend too much time on the web and what's. Wrong is that wrong, my attitude is that it's not by itself, wrong because a new etiquette, is forming, teenagers. Are creating, a new form of social, customs, and if, you're not on the internet you don't exist you're, not a player, you're, not on the radar map unless, you're on the internet but you, have to understand, social, skills you. Have to have both a you. Have to know what the social etiquette is whatever it is whatever, technology, comes down the pike you should know it be, you, have to have one-to-one, social. Skills you, have to know how to carry on a conversation how. To impress, people what. The boundaries are when you talk, about things, to people these. Are things that you learn by socializing. But. If you're a shut-in and you spend all your time on the computer then. Of course you lack social skills and no, wonder you don't have that many friends or if you spend all your time to socializing, then, you can't talk to people who are on the web and so, I tell parents, that they should have a balance, between the two because. A new social etiquette is, being formed because we have a new way of communication. Now, remember, when, the telephone, when, the telephone first, came in a hundred years ago there. Were a lot of newspaper, editorials, and you can look up that denounced. The telephone, they. Thought it was evil, because. You're not going to talk to people you'll talk to this disembodied. Voice in the air in the ether and you're. Not going to talk to your kids so much and of. Course the critics were right we, don't talk to our kids too much we've spent too much time gabbing. To the ether and. We love it we. Love the telephone and now, we love the Internet and so, the point is that instead, of going against, technology we, should use technology as, long, as we understand, social, skills, as well mm-hmm. Yes and that, is something that a lot of kids are liking. Today, they. Are so, much time so much time being socially, active. Digitally. That they just that. I guess, they're forgetting. How. To socially, interact with other people face. To face back. When we were kids you know I can't really speak for you dr. Kaku but when I was a kid we. Would go out and play around outside we, would create things with our imaginations. And. While. We might have had technology, it was technology, that. We, either had to build ourselves. Such. As a time when my father bought my brother and I a radio.
Scanning, Kit it was a kit you had to put together before, it even operated. Back. In those days we learned all sorts of skills that, today's. Kids today's, children, it just doesn't fear that they're learning. Kids, today seem. To be I don't, know this is very not kids, today seem to be dumbing. Down compared. To where we were when. We were kids is. That a fair criticism yeah I think it's a fair criticism I, think we always have to worry. About that however, I think that's where science, can come in because, science, and the space program can, really energize, people when I was a kid we had something called a Sputnik moment, that, is when Sputnik went up in 1957. It galvanized. Every. Teenager, all, of a sudden it was your patriotic duty to, understand. Science, and astronomy and, physics and, chemistry. Life, magazine published, a big picture on its cover saying, that Ivan, can read but, Johnny, cannot, and that's, a national disgrace and, so all of a sudden it was cool it, was really cool back. Then to become, scientifically. Oriented well. Those days are going on okay, but, the space program I think is giving us a new Sputnik. Moment, once again people. Are now tuning, into the space program they're. Tuning into movies, they're beginning to get interested. Again and, I think that's one way to pull, students, away, from simply computers, just to chat with people into. Computers, as a way of learning about our. Universe, to, give them role models, to give them knowledge, about what the universe is all about something, you don't spend all their time sending, dirty messages to each other. Yeah. And sending pictures like Anthony Weiner did, oh my. Don't, be doing that folks right. Anyway. Another. Concern people have and. I've thought about this myself and that is the role of artificial. Intelligence, and robotics in the future. Now. We're, already beginning to see self-driving. Cars and there's. Legislation, that. Will allow mass, production, of them we're. Also seeing restaurants. With a kiosk where. You can order from the table and at some point I truly, believe that at some point, waitresses. Will be displaced, that will have robots, also bringing, food to, our tables as we, order our dinners, or lunches or, whatever it may the case may be and I've, even heard I don't know how true it is but I've, also heard that they are working on replacing human. Staff members, with. Robots, in Japan. As far as hotel. Workers go our. Concerns, of robots, displacing. Human workers. Justified. Or unjustified. In. Japan we you, have a receptionist. Who simply comes up to you and greets, you and maybe takes down some simple, information they. Do simple, things like for example deliver. Messages, to you or are run. Around in the elevator they can go in the elevator go to the different floor knock. On your door deliver, something but. If you want a porter to carry your luggage down to, the basement. Or there's. A leak in your faucet, you need a repairman to replace it or your toilets, running and you need a plumber, robots. Can't do any of those things there. Are no robot plumbers there are no robot carpenters, there. Are no robot repairmen, no robot sanitation. Workers none.
Of That things, that are repetitive and can, be reduced to simple mechanical, motions those. Are the jobs being replaced now in interactions. Lawyers. For example have to talk to juries and to. To. Clients, and judges, robots. Can't do that in fact the Constitution, says you have to have a trial by peers, you, don't have a trial by by, robots you have a child, trial, by, other, humans, and that's why you need human, lawyers, also. Doctors, in the future will have Robo dock we'll be able to talk to your wrist watch and get valid. Medical advice almost, for free but, if you have an operation, if, you need some very, high-level advice. About which course to take you, want to talk to a human so. Jobs that involve intellectual. Work experience. Knowledge, know-how, savy leadership. Analysis. Those, jobs cannot be replaced the, people who do have to worry are a. Repetitive. Workers, automobile, workers textile, workers anything, repetitive. They. Have to worry second. Brokers. Middlemen. Have to worry so. For example when you buy stock today you. No longer, buy stock. By. Talking, to a stock broker you do that on your cell phone or your wristwatch so. Why do you go to see a stock broker because, you want something that robots cannot provide, stockbrokers. Today no longer really sell stock stock. Brokers today sell advise they, sell insight. Analysis. Leadership. Innovation. Intuition. And those, jobs we're gonna have for a long time because, robots are adding machines, we. Forget that they're, very good at adding they're very good at doing the same thing over and over again but. They're adding machines and so, that's why I say that jobs, that are non-repetitive job, to require you know some education, job, they require font. Imagination. Analysis, experience, those, jobs will thrive in the future and in my earlier book physics of the future I make a list of, the kinds of jobs that will thrive in the future and jobs, that will go out the window now. This very, next question is a, theoretical. Question considering, you are a theoretical. Physicist, do, you think that we, human. Beings, are. Something. Along the lines of organic. Robot, beings, because. Realistically. We have no idea how, we got here or where, we came from as a whole unless you just go into the creation. Idea. That, a God created, us but even if he create what. Are we are we robots, yes, some people say that there's hardware in wetware a hardware. Is made out of silicon, glass and steel and we, call them robots and, computers and. We're. Wetware and. Therefore. We. Have neural, circuits, and, therefore. That's what makes us now. The question is what is the soul therefore, well. We used to have something called dualism. A few hundred years ago during the Middle Ages dualism. Is the idea that the soul is. Separate, from the body so that when you die your. Soul goes to heaven but. Your body rots on the planet Earth when you die that's, called dualism then. Comes, neuroscience. Of the last few decades which, says no no no no it's, just a brain being a bunch of neurons so. There's really only one object, now, we're sort of going back to. Dualism, because. When we know how what is called a connectome project the. Connectome project is, a project to map the entire brain to, map everything every, every neuron of, the, human brain will eventually be met just like the genome project mapped, every gene. Of the human body and then. The question is if you have a disk with. Your connectome, on it and you, die your. Connect on lives. On forever so in, some sense a piece of you becomes, immortal, this. Is called digital, immortality. That. When you die your. Body may, die but. Your consciousness, your memories, your feelings, your, your, attitudes, that. Could survive forever. Because, your connectome, survives, forever, and so, we're not beginning to realize that dualism.
Could, Be coming back, again now, well we could upload, our dualism, into a robotic, bottom body. Not, bottom what though, it. Would be funny upload. Ourselves until a robotic, bottom hey well, I only see the chair was. But. Uh anyway. But. Would it also be possible to place, our brain into, a robotic, body it's. Conceivable that once we have the Kinect home which is perhaps maybe a hundred years from now the. Brain, has 100 billion neurons that's a lot of neurons that log that. Will have a disk with, the all, your neurons listed, and, will. Be able to put that into a computer the. Computer in turn will control an avatar a. Robot. Basically and you will. Then see through, the robot so. That your consciousness, your memories your mannerisms. All. Your sensibilities. Will. Be inside, a mechanical. Avatar. And that, avatar could, then explore the universe now, I personally think that when that's possible, by, the end of the century we, may put it on a laser beam and shoot. The laser beam to the moon and. Download. Your consciousness. On the moon this. Way you'd be on the moon in one second, no, booster rocket no. Weightlessness. No radiation, no accidents. You could be on Mars in 20 minutes you, could be on the nearest star in four years and there. Could be a highway in the, future a highway, in. Which souls are, being transmitted. By laser beams and people. Go vacationing. Throughout the galaxy. Occupying. Robotic. Bodies and becoming supermen, on these. On these other planets and personally. I think this may already exist. Why. Should aliens, use clumsy, things like flying saucers to, go from one star to the other why, not simply laser port themselves. So, that your consciousness, goes from star to star you. Know within a matter of a few years and so, this may already exist, intelligent. Life could be common, throughout the galaxy, in. Which case they're way beyond flying saucers, they simply laser. Port themselves, across the universe and there could be a highway a highway. Right next to the earth with, billions, of beings, teleplays. Reporting, themselves, along this Highway and we. Humans, are too stupid and too primitive to, even, know it that. We think we're hot stuff but, right next door there could be a superhighway, where. Alien, life saps, their consciousness left.
And Right and we're, too primitive to know it yes. And they could even operate, on different frequencies, that we may not even know, or, how, to tap into, if. There are extraterrestrial. Beings. And if they are in fact visiting. The. Earth do. You think they. Could have the ability to manipulate. Physics. As we know it such as walking. Through physical. Barriers, as though they were a ghost as is. The case and. Many of these alien, abduction, tales that we've heard about over the years where. People have said that they were abducted out their houses because aliens, came. Through their walls whether it's a brick wall. Wood. And wallet doesn't matter, they. Come through the walls and get people. And the. Aliens, and the abductee. Themselves. Go through this wall well. Seriously, possible. But let's take a look at the practical. Implications, first. Of all about a hundred years ago around, 1900. A, lot, of theologians had a problem and that is we, had telescopes and we, were looking for heaven and we didn't see heaven up there every time we look with our telescopes, so, back then mathematicians. Were beginning to talk about the fourth dimension other. Dimensions. Beyond the three dimensions, of length width. And height and so. They thought that well maybe God, it may be angels, maybe, they exist, in another dimension so. If you look down from under another dimension, down to flatland, that is people living on a tabletop, and then, you peel them you peel them off the tabletop, they, would disappear, you, could plop them down back, on the tabletop someplace, else and they would reappear, and so what a hundred years ago there was a romance, with ghosts. Believe, it or not many. Plays many, novels, were set in the fourth dimension whereby. You would, disappear, reappear. Someplace, else, because, you were lifted, out of the three-dimensional world moved. In the fourth dimension and came back into the third dimension now. Of course we can't do that but, I'm a physicist, and now we believe that there could be 11, dimensions, I work, in something called string theory that's what I do professionally we.
Think String theory is a theory, that eluded Einstein, for the last thirty years of his life it's, a theory of everything it, says the reason capital, capsule, eights all the laws of physics into. A simple theory which, does require you, to have higher. Dimensions. Dimensions. Beyond the three that, we know about now. About alien, abductions, there's, at least two ways you can look at alien abductions, one, is well maybe, it's true you can't rule it out I don't, rule it out because of course many sincere, people believe, this however. There is another way of looking at, alien, abductions, and that, is that about five percent of, the human race many of my friends in fact suffer. For something called sleep paralysis, that. Is at night you are paralyzed, when you dream because. If you're not paralyzed, you act out your dream and you can injure, yourself so, you are paralyzed, when you dream but, these people there's, five percent when they wake up they're. Still. Paralyzed, and they, they're, fearful and they have this image of an animal sitting. On their chest. One. Friend of mine says that she wakes up with a cat I can't, on her chest staring. Down on her and there, are many medieval. Victorian. Paintings, of the 1800s, where. Women are shown sleeping, in the painting, with a gremlin a gremlin, sitting, on their chest staring. Down on them so. One theory is that the, five percent of humans, who have, sleep paralysis actually. Suffer, from this thinking that maybe aliens. Aliens. Have kidnapped, them and they're, doing, experiments. On them and they're staring down, on, them. And under, hypnosis. That feeling, of fear, can be can. Be brought to the surface now. I don't know all I know is that friends of mine do suffer from sleep paralysis they, tell me that yeah in the morning is very frightening in the morning there, are creatures creatures, staring, down on them and then they wake up and they'd go about their business and, forget about it but when you ask them they, say yes they're terrified, and so, that is a possibility. Now, my advice to people who have. Been abducted by flying, saucers my, advice to them is the, next time you're abducted, steal. Something, I don't. Care what it is I. An alien paperweight. An alien, paperclip. And he. An anything. Steal something, so, that after your back you have something that is testable. Reproducible. And falsifiable. Because, that's what science, is all about. Science. Is not about stories science. Is about things that are testable reproducible. And falsifiable, and so, if you steal something where, someone does forbidden, experiments, on your sex organs get. Alien, DNA that. Would end the debate right then and there no more speculation, no.
More Theories, it would end the debate right there one alien ship would do it you think that's all it would take because, there are many, many cases of people, with metallic, BB shaped objects, inside, of their body and from. What I've heard when, doctors tried to remove the. Object it either moves or it disappears, but. If it can, be instructed, it can then be tested, for its properties, and. Well. Would, that be enough proof, that there are in fact extraterrestrial. Beings. Abducting, people oh, yeah. Anything. That is extraterrestrial like, if you have a piece, of metal or whatever put, it through a mass spectrometer within. Minutes within, minutes you would know if it was earth made man-made. Or are alien. Made and so, that's, the proof of the pudding so, in other words a hundred years from now we could be having a conversation like this -, it. Would go on forever because, it's not decidable. Things, in science are decidable. You can decide yes or no whether, something, is correct that's what separates faith from science faith, is necessarily, not decidable, because faith deals with ethics and how to go to heaven but, science, is decidable, because it depends on natural, law therefore, if someone has a piece of alien technology, let. Us put it through an MRI scan yes mass spectra, graph any. Number, of devices that immediately. Could settle the whole question, and then there's no debate, whatsoever, speaking. Of having scientific. Facts of things that happening the, way it is claimed to happen. Back. In april, of 2017 on, reddit you. Were asked about your thoughts on the, electromagnetic. Propulsion, system. Which is. Otherwise known as the EM Drive the emdrive, and you. Said I quote, I'm. Very. Skeptical, of the EM Drive because, it violates. The known laws of physics. Well. Dr., Kaku today, in February, 2018. Are. You, still skeptical, of the EM Drive, okay. There was an announcement last. Year this is probably what you're talking about, that, says that they were able to generate net, thrust using, microwave. Radiation, and. That. The amount of net thrust was very very tiny almost. Infinitesimal but, it. Seemed to violate the known laws of physics therefore, it. Opened the possibility of new laws of physics okay so. I think that's where this, this M Drive is okay, so, my, attitude is very simple that. Is it has to be reproducible. Testable. Falsifiable. So. Far no one has been able to duplicate, this for, example take a look at cold fusion I don't. Say that cold fusion is impossible. That is fusion in a glass of water, who knows maybe it is possible but. No one has been able to reproduce it. In their. Laboratory, on demand. Sometimes. It works sometimes it. Doesn't work Toyota, even, put a few million dollars to, try to see whether they could commercialize. Cold, fusion but you see if your cold fusion, engine turns, on sometimes, but. Most of the time does not it's, worthless commercially. So Toyota, eventually gave up on it and the same thing here you have to have. Reproducibility. You. Have to be able to turn it on on demand, because, as it is as it was stated it does violate the known laws of physics we have something called Maxwell's equations, which, we learn in the, first year in your ph.d program in physics, which.
Governs, Radar governs. Microwaves, so, even before we build a microwave tower we immediately know how it works even before we build it because we have the laws of microwaves. And the, laws of electromagnetism called. Max's equations, this. Device violates. Maxwell's. Now, that doesn't mean that the Vice is wrong who knows maybe, there's a loophole someplace, in Max's equations, but, it does mean we have to have independent. Verification and. We don't have that yet other, people have not been able to reproduce it, in their laboratory, that's, my statement I know, we're running out of time we have limited time here but, in your book the future of humanity, you. Talked about something, called nano ships. What. Can you tell us about what, these nano ships are and how, would, they operate. Well. In my book the future of humanity I talked about starships, the kind of starship you see in Star Trek they, have warp drive but, something. That's more immediate, that we might have within the next few decades in fact is. To send tiny, microchips. On parachutes. Energized. By laser, beams that shoot. The matata space accelerate. Them to 20% of speed of light and they. Could reach the nearest star Proxima Centauri. In about, 4, but in about 20 years so. This is remarkable. Off-the-shelf. Technology. Funded. By Silicon. Valley billionaires, to the tune of 100 million dollars, may. One, day build, the first starship. That. Can take a computer, chip to, 20%, of speed of light and, make. Contact. With another, planet, outside our, solar system this. Is amazing, off-the-shelf. Technology, only. A few billion dollars to build it and that's. The hope of building a starship in this century rather. Than waiting another hundred years in, your opinion as a theoretical physicist, bozo as a Star Trek fan do. You think anytime within the next 100, years will start to see. Humanity. Building. Developing. A true, starship, I think. In the next hundred years we'll have fusion that. Is in southern, France the, French are building the ITER, fusion, reactor, and we. Hope to have controlled, fusion on the earth next. We want to put it in outer space. And. That. Means a fusion. Reactor, that. May reach maybe, 10%, of speed of light but. To go even faster like half the speed of light would, be and even more advanced technology, but. This is definitely conceivable. That, with the falling price of space travel with. The rise of fusion power we. May be able to create the first fusion starship, in a hundred years well, I hope. So I definitely, hope so I've been looking forward to a time when we begin. Truly. ASP luring space and I. Hope it begins within my lifetime it may not I look. Forward to a time when maybe we can find a race that reminds, us of Klingons, a race. Of green women that we all know Captain Kirk seems to be attracted, to just the, green women. Anyway. Before. We do go today dr. Kaku I would. Like to ask you to, give us a hope or. Prediction. For. Either the remainder of 2018. Or sometime in the near future well. I think in 2018, we'll start to crank. Up our first moon rockets the. Falcon, Heavy had his test run just a few weeks ago next, is the SLS, and the. First moon shot will, take place December, of 2019. So. This year, could be the year of testing, the. First moon rockets in 50 years and, that ladies and gentlemen, was theoretical. Physicist, dr.. Michio, Kaku, and, dr.. Coco's book again is the future of humanity. Terraforming. Mars interstellar. Travel, immortality. And our. Destiny, beyond, Earth, we.
Had A very, limited time together, he's. A busy, person so I hope. You. Enjoyed. This. Program. There, were so many other things I could we could have gotten into but, we just did not have the time such as terraforming. Mars I do, the best that I could, first. Show back and water do Z right water, do Z and we definitely appreciate the, time that dr. Kaku spent with us and if, you think I was nervous you're, right. Well. Ladies, and gentlemen until the next time we do come, back together again I, bid. You all a. Kind. And. Farewell.