The National for Sunday, May 27, 2018 — Ontario Debate, North Korea, Irish Referendum
On. This Sunday night getting a first-hand, look at what a change election, in Ontario, might bring the, last chance for the main party, leaders to try and convince voters, will, have the debate highlights, and set the stage for the push to voting day plus why Ontario's, decision, matters here in Ottawa and the rest of Canada also, tonight the on-again, off-again Singapore. Summit sure seems on again, why, signals, from North Korea seem to have injected new optimism, in Washington, why, so many though are still calling for caution. This, is the, National. There. Are now less than two weeks before Ontario. Votes for a new government and tonight with the clock ticking down the, leaders of the three main parties went at it for the final time. Because. You haven't been paying attention to, everyday, folks and what they need. And. It, sounded a lot like that tonight lots. Of debate over everything from taxes, and the economy to issues of honesty. And trust not surprising, really given, the stakes here an electorate, that seems, ready for change and some, pretty different choices from, what is there already as you saw the energy, of the debate was often passionate, but there was some substance there as well, let's. Go to we're going to CBC's Hanna Thibodeau, who's going to give us a note we're gonna go to CBC, News poll analyst Erik Grande who was watching this very closely with. Me throughout the night Eric your thoughts well it. Was interesting to see the three of them if you were an undecided, voter in, watching, this debate you did certainly get a very stark contrast between the three different offerings that the three parties have but, you would see a Kathleen. Wynne said she was trying to rise a little bit above what has become a Horvath, Ford, matchup, and it's hard to know if she was able to do that in a race where increasingly, it seems like the Liberals are a bit of a bystander in, this at for Andrew Horvath and the NDP what was interesting is that in the first debate Andrew Horvath was a bystander between. Kathleen. Wynne and Doug Ford who were going after each other in that debate and she was able to stand, back and say you don't need to choose between these two but in this debate she was very much the focus of attacks from both Doug. Ford and Kathleen, Wynne and she was trying to make the case that the, Doug Ford a change that he is offering is too uncertain, they don't have a platform out they, they haven't costed, their promises, so you can't risk going to Ford and you also can't afford, going back to Kathleen Wynne for more time Doug Ford's message has not changed, very much since the beginning of this campaign but the campaign, has changed a lot and it's, interesting that his message has not evolved in that way because instead of just going after Kathleen, Wynne being the agent of change he now has to make the case that he is a better option for change than Andrew, Horvath and New Democrats, and the rhetoric that he took against the NDP saying that they would destroy the economy and that businesses are terrified, of the New Democrats not. Sure if that's going to resonate when you do see that the New, Democrats are doing quite well in the polls and Andrew Horvath is personally, more popular than Doug Ford although, a lot of days left and and this election has been surprising. From the beginning to say the least so let, me leave it on this Eric do you think that anything changed, in any substantive way tonight well, the challenge, for Doug Ford was to halt the NDP momentum, because they have been gaining in every poll in this campaign and if that continues that the NDP would go on track to forming government because we've seen the PC support has dropped, not, clear that he's done anything to dent. That support. That's growing for the NDP and at the same time it's not clear either that Andrew Horvath did, a bet she did not have a bad debate she was not nearly maybe. As, good as she might have been in the first one but she delivered.
At Least on the the very bare minimum of what would have been required in order not to give voters, a reason not, to get on that bandwagon with the NDP Doug, Ford might not have also done enough to make, those voters who want change which we see that is the vast majority of Ontarians that he is a better option than Andy Horvath and the Democrats. And for Kathleen Wynne to stop the, decline in support that she has been suffering not, clear as well whether she would be able to do that it was a challenge to begin with she might be able to with a relatively, strong performance, in the debate save, some of those seats, that they're hoping that they might be able to do but in order to turn around what has been a really rough campaign for her I'm not sure if she did that tonight Eric. Grenier always good to have you here CBC, poll analyst Eric Grenier lots, more still to come on tonight's national a killer whale was taken from Puget Sound 51, years ago now a First Nation wants, her back it's. The insurance claim, you may have trouble claiming, go, public looks at how a car accident could, put a dent in your bank account but first the North Korean, summit, will they or won't they. It. Was on then, called off now it's green for go again, for the historic, meeting between the, US president, and the leader of North Korea in, fact planning for the summit suddenly kicked into high gear today, Ellen Mauro explains, why. It. Seemed for a while that this would be the closest, kim jeong-hoon would get to singapore an impersonator. Walking, the streets, glad-handing. Tourists. But. The real north korean leader now seems more likely to be there too after yesterday's, surprise meeting, between Kim and South, Korean, president, moon jae-in to, discuss the possible, singapore summit with US president, Donald Trump. We. Have agreed said moon today that the June 12th summit should be held and that our journey for the Korean Peninsula's, denuclearization, and. Peace should not be halted after. Abruptly, cancelling the summit on Thursday Trump. Again seems eager to get North Korea to the table a lot, of people are working on it it's. Moving. Along very nicely so, we're looking. At June 12th, in, Singapore. That hasn't changed and today, another clear sign the talks could happen a US delegation arrived. In North Korea including. Veteran, diplomat and, nuclear negotiator, Sung Kim. Later. On Twitter Trump seemingly, appealed, to the North Koreans, saying, North Korea has brilliant, potential, and will be a great economic, and financial, nation one day kim, jeong-hoon, agrees, with me on this. But, there's still skepticism. About Kim Jong Un's motives, I remain. Convinced, that he does not want to denuclearize, in fact, he will not denuclearize. But he wants to give off this perception that he's this open leader that he's peaceful that, he's reasonable, but.
With The president, eager to score a victory those fears may not matter and after, a weekend, of momentum, it seems the on-again off-again, talks, may, just be on again, Alan. Morrow CBC, News Washington. Also. Today White House logistics, team left for Singapore, to prepare for the summit and if it does go ahead people, are talking about three possible, venues, the. Shangri-la, Hotel may be the best bet it's away from the central core and has, a lot, of experience hosting, high security events it's, also fully, booked for the summit date you can read into that what you will so. Is the Marina, Bay Sands Resort it's, big and flashy one of Donald Trump's biggest donors, runs the company that owns it and, the. Third possibility is, a more remote island, it would certainly be easier to, secure but it's hotels may not be large enough to accommodate everyone. Who will be attending. All, closer to home now members of an indigenous first nation that traces, its roots to southern, British Columbia are on a mission to bring back a killer whale back, to her home waters 48. Years ago Lolita, was taken from Puget, Sound it's, now in the Miami Seaquarium which. Vows for, the whales own safety that it, isn't, going anywhere here's, the CBC as Greg Rasmussen. This. Protest, outside the Miami, Seaquarium is, the last stop on a long journey. It, started, when the Lummi first nation in Washington, State carved this pole and displayed it across the country all part of a fight to release a whale captured, in the Salish Sea nearly. Five decades ago, she's, had to perform twice, a day for her food yes and she's been locked up our the size of the tank to hers the equivalent, of a prison cell. Lolita. Has spent nearly all of her life in this tank she was one of dozens captured. Off British Columbia and Washington State in the 1960s. And 70s. Now. Only Lolita, and one, other captured West Coast Orca are left alive in captivity. Elimination, has an elaborate plan to bring her home the idea is to move Lolita from Miami to an island in Washington, State just south of the border with BC a net, pen would be built in a sheltered Cove for Lolita would once again swim, in the ocean be trained to hunt and possibly. Be, released but, the operators of the Marine Park say releasing, her could endanger, her life really, they should be ashamed of, themselves they. Don't care about Lolita, they don't care about her best interests they don't really care whether she lives or dies the. Debate revolves, around what's, best for a whale that spent nearly 50, years in, a pool I think this could be a very cruel, and inhumane. Thing to do this. UBC professor, admires the sentiment, to correct, past cruelties, but, he fears a repeat, of the experience, with Keiko, made famous by the movie Free, Willy, he died within a year of being released the, window has closed she's. Too old you, would never do this to your grandmother, so. Why would you do this to a whale. But. The Lummi aren't giving up saying, they have the money and the expertise, to, bring Lolita, safely. Home, Gregg, Rasmussen, CBC News Vancouver. It's. Estimated the 60, killer whales are being kept in captivity worldwide. 27. Of them taken from the wild there's. One Orca in captivity in Canada, kisk is at Marineland in Niagara Falls Ontario she. Was caught in 1979. No, killer, whales have been captured for display in North America, for decades. The practice continues, elsewhere, most notably in Russia, and China, Russia, has four orcas, all caught since 2012. China, has at least 15, they were taken, from the wild within the last five, years.
It's. The insurance claim, you can't make, the value of vehicle losses after a crash even when it's been repaired properly it's called diminished. Value and it has drivers feeling, the impact of an accident long after the crash when, they tried to sell, the vehicle Roza market la from our go public unit, investigates, as soon. As it was hit bill Brown knew his five-month-old SUV. Was worth thousands. Less even, after, the repairs were done properly he, also knew owners, have to disclose, damage, to vehicles over, two thousand dollars to potential buyers fifteen. Thousand dollars damage done to the car and I. Knew that when, I sold, that I would have to, disclose. That and it, would be worth less than. If it had not been in an accident, he took the at fault driver in his case to small claims court taking. On two lawyers, hired by the drivers, insurance company, initially. Brown, was awarded six thousand, dollars in damages, for diminished, value but. On appeal that award was cut dramatically. And he, had to pay legal costs, for the other side leaving. Him a thousand, dollars in the hole these battles are fought at the. Small. Claims level there they're not for large amounts not. The, amount is not, large. Enough to warrant paying, a league, lawyer. So. Most. Canadians, are going to end up as I did, representing. Themselves and. It's, not a not. An even battle drivers, can't get coverage for diminished, value anywhere. In Canada that's, not the case in certain US states where, insurance companies, are required to pay they're pretty much the same vehicle but if you were to consider one. Who's been in an accident, repaired. You know to spec we asked potential buyers what they're willing to pay for a vehicle that's been in a crash would, you pay the same amount for, the one in the accident no I don't think so would you pay the same amount for a vehicle that's been in an accident even if it was repaired. No. I'd want to deputy pay less. CBC's. Marketplace, looked at this issue seven years ago and things, have changed a little according, to this vehicle appraiser who often, testifies, for drivers, and diminished value claims he. Says some insurance companies are now willing to negotiate settlements. If drivers, ask with, legal. Costs rising and, and, the more and more incidents, with more and more drivers the insurers are interested, in the most economical, end to the to. The situation, so that it knows them to negotiate the, problem, he says is proving a dollar amount exactly, how much a driver, will lose when, they go, to sell the car Roza. Market le CBC, News Calgary. If. You have a story for go public contact, Rosa and the team at go public at CBC dot, CA here. Are some of the other stories we have on tap tonight from, global, pariah, to soccer Mecca Russia, prepares, for the next month's World Cup and Amy. Chua is the tiger, mom who wrote a best-selling, memoir about her tough parenting, style now she's, digging her claws into u.s. politics, that's our Sunday interview but. Next Ireland, comes to grips with the landmark vote that will change its abortion, law, you. Know Ireland is a young progressive, country. We can be proud of that now. Here. Are some other stories were following tonight the, 100th. Memorial pop is being cited tonight as Regina Pat face off against the ACTA T Bathurst Titan right, now yakety, Bathurst, leads one, nothing. Tropical. Storm Alberto is. Approaching, Florida's Gulf Coast tonight so far heavy, rain seems, to be the worst of it but, the storm is gaining force with sustained wind speeds approaching 80 km/h. Florida. Is under a state of emergency along, with parts of Alabama, and Mississippi. Now. This is, a state of emergency you can't deny that Ellicott. City Maryland is, coping tonight with violent, flash floods two, years ago the city grappled, with a similar, deluge, that left two people dead, and. Ian's. We are of course following that big shift, that happened in Ireland that's why rosemary, a referendum so significant. It's being described, as a quiet, revolution people. Voted by a significant. Margin to throw out the constitutional.
Amendment That made, abortion, illegal, a, hundred. Years since women gained the right to vote, today. We as a people have, spoken and we say that we trust women and, respect women to make their own decisions, and their, own choices, the. Change was supported by sixty, six point four percent of the voters that turnout a record, high for an Irish referendum, just under 65 percent this result opens the door now to legal, abortion, in the first 12 weeks of a pregnancy, or later, if there's, a risk to the mother or the fetus now. Under the old law women had who. Had an illegal abortion could, face up to 14 years in prison one. Woman tells our now on I add just how profoundly, she feels this change. As. Much as they might not like the idea of it abortions. Already here, people are taking pills that they order online even though it's against the law when, people are in, pain or desperate, they, will do what they need to do yeah. We're. Lying we're lying when, we say that the eighth prevents abortion we're lying when we say this country is safe for women and, I'm contributing to that lie for better or for worse I have to tell this story because. Of the eighth you had to travel I'm not perfect, but I'm, an everyday person and it. Happens to me so I I, needed, an abortion I couldn't get it here. I did. As much research as I could and I ended up going to attract in the Netherlands over. And back the same day because I couldn't afford to stay over it's, a decision I certainly considered. Really deeply and I. Knew, I knew it was right for me and so. Unfortunately. Some people think then that I'm a prime target for I and, women like me are prime targets for abuse, to, call us murderer, to call us. Is another one another favorite one you. Know when why didn't you close your legs and it's like well you know first. Of all sex happens. And. Crisis. Pregnancies, happen, and. We. Won't be shamed for it anymore. When. People say you haven't heard out the other side I say we, heard nothing but the other side, the. Other side is our status quo is our law so. We've. Given, it a good old hearing, out we've lived it. It's. Very hopeful moment, so. You. Know I just. I really love this country and I want this country to love us I think. It does and I just want. That's. Very hard to say I'm so full of emotion I'm so full of gratitude to. Everyone who voted yes many. Of them who might not have shared, the other, people's views on abortion itself. Or, the right choice but they they've. At least said that you know they won't meddle in someone else's decision-making, process, and that's such a kind thing such, a mature thing and I feel like Ireland's really. Taken its place in grown-up. Countries abour but I'm so so grateful but, what does it mean for Ireland as a country I think it means that you. Know Ireland is a young progressive, country and we. Can be proud of that now. Years. Of women, like, yourself, have come out and told, their story, how. Much of an impact do you think that's made on what the result is today I think that has been the campaign. Still. Ahead on tonight's national the sunday interview Amit Suez memoir, Battle Hymn of the tiger mother, was a controversial, bestseller now. She's stirring, it up again with her new book on American, political, tribe but. Next how Russia hopes to shed its outcast, image, with next, month's world cup this, is their show, and, they would they'll put on a great show here. Go. Ahead it's oval welcome to Russia. Well. There it is the FIFA World Cup trophy unveiled, in saint-petersburg one of eleven Russian cities hosting games for, the rapidly approaching 2018. World Cup Russia, pulling, out all the stops for soccer fans both, those close to home and the hundreds of thousands, expected to visit, from, abroad, of. Course these days news about Russia in the West tends to be bad news spies and, sanctions, and diplomatic, expulsion. Z' talk of a new Cold War but, soccers World Cup begins in a few days and Chris Brown's dispatch, from Moscow shows us a country more, than ready for some.
Different Headlines. Russians. Are getting ready to open their, doors and, welcome. The world during. The four weeks of FIFA 2018. 1, million, foreign, visitors are expected, to get a close-up look at Russia many, for, the first time they'll, visit new stadiums, tour, landmarks. And fill, their suitcases, up with matreshka dolls the, World Cup represents, a unique marketing, opportunity, for Russia, 8 years ago when Russia was awarded the tournament it was before the Olympic doping scandal, before Russia's. Takeover, of Crimea and, successive. Rounds of economic, sanctions it was impossible to know then just. How bad relations, with the West would, get but, practically, every, ticket has been sold and most, Russians, now hoped tourists, leave with, a better impression. Yulia. Gulab ewa and alexei, kvass tov planned, to do their part to show russia's, nice side. I. Think foreign, visitors will see that russia is not a hostile, state they'll, see that we're powerful and were also friends, we're. Open to everyone and we're, friendly. Not. This video on where as the Sochi Olympics, in 2014 were, focused, on a single city the, World Cup spans, 11, 12, stadiums were either built from scratch or heavily, renovated garages. Somewhat at Kazan yet with the total bill likely, to far exceed the projected, 11, billion, dollar budget this is even more important to them I think the Olympics this. Is their show, and, they would they'll put on a great show here, Doug, steel of Halifax, has called Moscow, home for, 24, years he's, probably one of the best known Canadians, in the city the owner of the bar is a Canadian, Doug Steele thanks. To the popularity, of as many bars and restaurants, over the years he, predicts visitors will be surprised, at what they see of Russia doesn't. Square with the negative, headlines everyone. Comes here they're sort of apprehensive. Of what they're going to get and, everyone seems to be leaving with this eye it's not what I thought for, me it's infinitely better off than it was 20, years ago much. Much better off much, better off and I. Don't anybody, that says differently, I think is probably. A little wrong do, I support, the, government, it's.
The Government boy sports the Canadian government's the government yeah. So. But, the country I think the country is great. Moskos. Famously, beautiful, and efficient, metro system has, taken the lead on trying, to roll out the welcome mat to visitors. It's. Added English announcements, on the trains and reprinted, almost. 31,000. Signs so, that there's now English along, with the Russian is there a cash machine in the station. Where. Is it it's. Also training hundreds, of ticket clerks and other workers on how to be more helpful to english-speaking. Visitors, you need Carosa, 3 we dropped in on a language class with teacher if Guinea's, ever skya is there a bike, rental, station. Yes. How. Can I get there from the Metro. Go. Go. Straight on from. The Metro then. Turn, left my. Students, usually say that sir. Especially. Booking clerks that's passengers, they are surprised. When. Booking. Clarisse can explain, more than just. Prices. Russia's. TV one the local rights holder has been hyping, the tours and benefits, of the tournament, for months ironically. The, largest group of foreign ticket holders will be from countries whose teams didn't, qualify China. And the United States let. Me help you Metro worker Ivan, Schmitt Tannen says, the enormous, cost of hosting FIFA, will be worth it if people, have a good time, cities, compete. With each other too. Impress. Their, visitors to attract more guests. So. We. Take the, real part in, this process Poochyena infants, unite if it's still politics. We'll never be far from the football pitch President. Vladimir Putin has his fan ID and, is no doubt hoping the spectacle, will demonstrate, Russia's greatness to the world. While. Detractors. Note his government, has conveniently. Jailed, Russia's, leading opposition figure, Alexei. Navalny, for the duration of the competition, don't, let Putin off the hook by forgetting Russia's, bad behavior, say, his critics. Yes. I think that comparison. With, 1936. Is certainly. Right, Doug. Steel the Canadian expat says you can't enjoy Russia, without. Agreeing with its government this is not Hitler, States this, is not this is none of that stuff it's all and, I think, that's wrong I think that's unfair don't get caught up on who runs it realistically. Don't, get caught up on that you know people go to Vietnam are, they caught up with the fact that they're still a communist, government they don't even think about it they just think it's another extension of Thailand, or something I think you come here and enjoy the people good, afternoon. FIFA. May not do much to improve relations, between governments. But, Russians, are hoping it can build better relationships, with those, who visit here. Chris. Brown CBC, News Moscow. Now. Chris mentioned that most of the ticket purchases, are coming from countries that didn't, even qualify for the World Cup Finals, that is one surprise in a tournament that has already seen a few, first. Of all Italy, didn't even qualify for the finals the first time it didn't make the cut in 60, years another. World Cup powerhouse, the Netherlands, also failed, to qualify, meanwhile. Some seldom-seen, teams, will be in Russia this time Egypt, made it for the first time since 1990. While Peru, hasn't, qualified since, 1982, though, it's problem now a captain. And for doping and, there's Iceland, this is the country's first, World Cup final, with, a population, of just over 300,000, it is the smallest country ever, to. Make it, up. Next the Sunday interview, Yale professor, Amy Chua is best known as the tiger, mom the leader of the pushy parent, tribe now, is American, political, tribe that she's writing about they. Now view the other side is actually not, just people that they disagree with but as immoral. Worse people, evil. People both. Sides are way more extreme. If. You can actually pull people, out of their, groups and have, them interact as human beings it is, unbelievable. The progress, now I don't just mean exposure, I mean, actually, interacting, the table, yes yeah. The. American academic, lawyer and best-selling author Amy, Chua on the issue of political tribalism. Republicans. Democrats barely. Able to see each other as equal human beings, let alone Americans. With shared dreams she has a lot to say about the problem, and possible, solutions for, the Sunday interview here's Amy Chua. By. Now these sights and sounds, are familiar, America. Perhaps more, divided, than ever hail, Trump, hail, our people hail victory the, 2016, presidential campaign exposed. Discontent. Amongst, those who felt unheard, we, have some bad umbrage here and we're gonna get him out Donald, Trump tapped into that and his victory inspired, both impassioned.
Attacks Against, him an unflinching. Loyalty, but. Why and how did the United States become, so deeply, polarized on, both sides of the political spectrum. Yale. Law School professor Amy, Chua, has written two books about foreign, policy and is, no stranger to America's, culture, wars Amy, Chua is giving us a bad name she's making us look like we're all harsh dragon, moms in 2011. Her blockbuster. Memoir Battle, Hymn of the tiger mother, made her a household, name basically. There's a lot of kids have any fun it's almost like the idea of striving for excellence it's, a bad word there was a headline the you ask the worst mom in the world the, descriptions, of her strict Chinese parenting, style also provoked, outrage and, even death threats. Now, Chua is back to her foreign policy roots. Her, new book political tribes, group instinct, and fate of Nations explores. The roots of the divisions we're seeing today and what, it means to America, and the world I spoke, to her recently in Toronto. Let's. Start with what political, tribalism. Means, whatever how are you defining it so human, beings are, basically tribal, animals, you know we need to belong to groups and once. We connect, with a group our, tendency. Is to want to cling to it and to defend it and to think it's better than every other group and. That's not always bad you know family. Can be very tribalistic. And, sports, is very tribal, the, problem, is when tribalism. Takes, over, a political, system that's. Dangerous, because then you, start to see everything through. The lens of, your own tribe how, does it differ though from a political party you are a two-party. System, basically, in the United States. How does it differ from a political system are there parts within it or how it's a great question so in the United States the Republicans, and the Democrats there, used to be much, much more overlap, between the two of them and there, was much more fluidity between, these two groups now far. More so than you know in many many generations people. Say, Republicans say they don't want their child to marry. A member. Of the other political party, they. Studies, show that people. From say, the Democrats, they now view the other side is actually not, just people that they disagree with but as immoral. Worse, people, evil. People now, if you look at the most recent Pew foundation studies, you see that both, sides are way more extreme, so did Donald, Trump see that si tribes and tap into it in a way that maybe other candidates. Other politicians. Did not absolutely. Donald. Trump is a master. Political, tribalist, you know a lot of people don't understand, this they say what, happened, why can't the white, working-class see, that Donald Trump is a billionaire, he's nothing like them but, from the view of political. Tribalism, it's actually very clear. Trump, has done a much better job than any other candidate, at portraying. Himself as a member of the same cultural. Tribe as, America's. White, working-class the, sports, he watches, you know NASCAR, and worldwide wrestling, he he stuffs himself on McDonald's. You know not vegan health food so, I think that, a lot of people. I know on the coast you know multicultural. We think, of ourselves as tolerant, every, time he says something it's, the, feeling is now this is going to bring him down, so misogynist, so racist but, in fact from the point of view of a lot of working-class, Americans. In the middle of the country they. Just identifying, they're always getting called out like that you talk about something called ethno-nationalism, light. In the book which makes. Sense except. I wondered if there wasn't a danger, of it sort of tipping into a darker, place so. Now for the first time in US history, whites are on the verge of losing their, majority status. The. Predictions, are usually by about 20 44 so, the result of that is it's not just minorities. Who are threatened, in the United States white. Feel, threatened too and, so, what happens is it's when groups become. Threatened. They fear, that, they're losing their dominance, so as a result of this, you see in America a lot of harsh rhetoric that I'm very critical about on both the right and the left obviously, easy.
Case The white supremacist, racist. Horrible. On the, other hand I think it's very dangerous for progressives. The left to. Then accuse, all 60. Million people who voted for President Trump, as being, a white supremacist, and racist, when you talk about America, as a super, group that's, sort, of what you, should be continuing, to strive for that's, where you would like it to stay, is, that fair to say what is the benefit, of that then to be a super group first you need to have a very strong overarching. Collective. Identity, you know American. That's. The first requirement but, secondly, to be a super, group you have to allow, individual. Subgroup, identities, to flourish, you know and Canada, has this you're the mosaic, country, but the, idea is to have both. So, the idea at its best a supergroup is a country, where you can be you, know I'm Irish, America, and I'm Libyan, American, I'm korean-american. And yet, intensely. Patriotic at, the same time the difference between America, and Canada is that America promotes the idea of the melting pot and Canada. Promotes multiculturalism. Do, you think that there is less, a threat of tribalism. Tribalist. Politics, in Canada because of that because we are not trying to push, people, like. I would argue we're probably not as. Openly. Proud, way, the way lilia we're not it to the same extent so do you think that there's a difference well you've put your finger on the most important point point of the book and in this sense I think yes America, needs to learn from Canada but I would put it differently I think that, we always exaggerated. The extent to which the melting pot metaphor, really, applied because, that applied to all of the mostly, white European. Immigrants, so, absolutely. We had exceptional. Assimilation. With, the Germans, the poles the Hungarians, the Italians, but remember, we always had a very large, african-american. Population that. Absolutely, was not part of this great melting, pot Native. Americans, whom we extinguish so, I actually think that the mosaic. Metaphor. Is a little bit better the. Supergroup, concept, allows both right, it's like you allow these individual, subgroup, identities, to flourish some, may assimilate, over time but they don't have to but. You know here's where I would push back I think that overarching. National. Identity, is very, important, and I've heard this when people talk about Canada sometimes. Not. As patriotic, yes, or no is there the same kind of glue and I think in the United States it's extremely. Important to have it because we, are much, much more we have many more immigrants, in terms of raw numbers than you do let's. Let's end it on this you I think you described yourself as an optimist, in spite of all of this so. How, do you move, forward then when you know that you have a country that is divided, into political, tribes increasingly. Isolating. Themselves if you can actually pull, people, out of their groups and have, them interact as human beings it is unbelievable. The progress, now I don't just mean exposure, I mean, actually, interacting, with the table yes yes and, the two amazing, examples, I give, one is the integration of the US military, in the 50s and the other example is same-sex marriage, you, know the attitudes, toward, same-sex, marriage changed, so dramatically, in just thirty years thirty years ago ninety, percent of Americans, were posed and now. About. Sixty-five, percent are in favor why. Because. People started, to learn that this faceless, group of people who wanted, same-sex, yeah they're my oh my gosh it's my cousin it's my son it's, my neighbor it's my colleague and once you humanize, that it's, amazing so norms can change, but, to do that you have to get out of the tribal mindset, we thank you very much thanks so much for having me. If. The idea of tribalism, in US politics, resonates, consider, this Donald Trump recently hit the highest approval, ratings, in more than a year pulling somewhere around the mid 40s but, break it down by party and its stark, about 90 percent of Democrats disapprove, of him and more than 80 percent of self-identified Republicans, Beckham.
For Trump that, Republican, support matters, more by the month. Across. The u.s. Democrats, and Republicans, are holding primaries ahead, of this year's pivotal. Midterm, elections, President, Trump and I know that Indiana is going to deliver in 2018. The, stakes for Donald Trump are high keeping, a hold of Congress will help him push through his agenda for the next two years all. Those beautiful red hats those. Beautiful, red hats, but, it's more than that investigations. Have been closing in on Trump campaign officials, and associates, probing, among other things links. To Russian efforts to meddle in u.s. democracy, if Republicans. Lose big in the midterms, a Democratic, Congress could turn up the heat even further that's, why Trump is out in places like Indiana, to rally support for local candidates, but it can also disappear. If. You, put fools, and if you put the wrong people in when. It comes to the struggles, and scandals, in Washington, Trump voters may not know for sure what's, going. But many know what side they're on everybody's. Talking about Russian I don't understand, why I really, don't you, you're still gonna vote for me sure sure. Why. Is it. Because. At this point I'm gonna play the party side. Loyalty. To the party side will help Trump but on the other side it fuels the Democratic, enthusiasm. That threatens him. All. Of this rosemary is so interesting, and I think there a lot of Canadians who struggle, to understand, the, Trump phenomenon, after reading the book after, your entire conversation with her did, you understand, it better well. I mean I think I think you would agree and, most people would agree too in the United States it's much easier, to just pick, a sort of set of media organizations and, just look at them and just read them right and then never see sort of the other side of the story and that's at least part of it that as, she pointed out that people go into their little groups and they.
Just Stay there and they don't have to actually interact, or exchange ideas and because they don't they just remain sort of entrenched in their thoughts so it's interesting she also has lots of thoughts about how that influences. American. Foreign policy and, we're seeing some of that with Donald Trump right now too so, definitely a good read even if it's as she. Said maybe not something that would apply necessarily, to Canada it sure helps you understand how American, politics are so so divisive. When. We come back a preview of the week ahead and meanwhile. If you want to go deeper on the stories of the day earlier, in the day subscribe, to our newsletter at CBC News CA slash the National, the National today, we'll take you inside our journalism, every, empty. You. And. Then. There were two Game one of the Stanley Cup Finals tomorrow, night in Las Vegas where, the Golden Knights will host the Washington, Capitals we'll. Be watching that closely and, for those of you still feeling the sting of Winnipeg's loss a week ago maybe wondering which way to lean this, may matter the, Vegas roster. Is overwhelmingly. Canadian. Workers. At Canada's second largest railway could be off the job in two days, unions, representing, some 3,300. Employees of CP Rail served, strike, notice this weekend, effective, this Tuesday, at 10:00 p.m. Eastern they, say they want a better deal on pension, sick paid dental. Policies, and more, rest for workers. And. Another deadline we're watching this week Kinder Morgan's decision, on the future of the Trans Mountain pipeline, expansion, the, company gave this Thursday, May 31st, as the, date by which it will either push, on with the project or walk, away in the face of mounting protests. And political, setbacks Kinder. Morgan stopped all non-essential. Work on the expansion last, month and. The. Day after that the Canadian, auto industry, could fight itself facing potentially, crippling, tariffs, on exports. To the US as. NAFTA talks, drag on Canada. And Mexico had, been granted a temporary exemption. On steel. And aluminum, tariffs, it's, set to expire this, Friday. So. It was quite the rescue in Paris this weekend, when a toddler was seen hanging from, a balcony a passerby took dramatic, action a four-story. Climb that's earned him the nickname from the city's mayor the spider-man of the, 18th district, and it is our moment tonight. So. Extraordinary. A, young man in his early 20s and as the, police chief said or Fire Chief one of the officials said you needed someone who first of all had the courage to jump into action like that but rosemary also, needed, to be incredibly, physically, fit, I mean what tiny percentage, of the population could. Even physically, do what he did yeah that kind of upper-body strength that's. Like a lot of chin-ups in a row that he had to do and the story is even more interesting behind, him as well in his name is Mahmoud, ooga sama and he's a 22, year old undocumented. Worker from Mali so, already there is a movement that started to try and get him to become, you. Know an actual, citizen. Of France and he's meeting with the men UN back home tomorrow so he made people to make that plea directly, to him so it's got all sorts of layers that story but ultimately the best part of course that the the child lived and he's safe and this, guy is really a hero hey let me just jump in very quickly before we go the people who were up there or the guy that was up there a lot of people wonder why he didn't step in apparently, there was a divider, that he couldn't reach around to properly, grab the child so that's why he stood there and watched incredible. Okay that's the National for Sunday May 27th. Good night everybody. You. You.