WOLFHEART - Tuomas Saukkonen on NEW ALBUM, Skull Soldiers, future of metal & more | INTERVIEW
Hello you Metal Pilgrims and welcome to the new episode of our interview series, with our today's guest Tuomas Saukkonen of Wolfheart. Tumoas and I will be speaking about the band's latest release Skull Soldiers and the creative process behind it, the band's future, the future of the entire music industry and of Metal in particular, guitar tuning and much much more. Yet, as always, before we start and especially if you're new to the channel I'd to take a moment and ask you to like, comment, share this video, and of course subscribe to Metal Pilgrim channel on YouTube or any other social media you actually hang out at, to be able to submit your questions for all future interview guests, be the very first ones to find out what is inside the latest rock and metal releases, and for more exclusive rock and metal content! Here you go! MP: How's it going? How are things in Finland? How are you staying sane by the end of year one of all this madness? TS: Well, the villain is going into completely wrong direction. As actually today the government announced full lockdown for three weeks, shutting all the restaurants gyms, movie theaters, bars, everything! So we're hitting almost regular numbers weekly now, so they even postponed the government election. It's not a small thing, because it's not a good direction, considering the the festivals for the summer. MP: Yeah, I was hoping those were going to happen, but I see more and more... Download got
postponed till next year already, and a bunch of other ones as well, so I'm afraid that this year is going to be no shows once again. ST: Mostly, but the small festivals have a chance. Last summer there was two festivals in Finland that we even played. If the festival is small enough, but they have a enough space they can actually divide people and they can arrange things in a way that it it fits the regulations of the government, but the huge festivals - Hellfest, Download, when you have 70 000 people inside, you don't do anything about that. That's just how it's going to be, but last summer we had days that we had three or four cases per day. Now we hitting almost 800 per day. I would to hope for the
best, but when thinking, with the reason first festival would take places three months from now. MP: Man, absolutely. And this actually comes to the first question that I really wanted to discuss with you. What do you think will happen to the entertainment industry and that of metal music in particular after all this madness is hopefully over? Will we be able to get back to normal or there will be a new reality we all will have to adapt to? TS: I think the reality is going to be pretty much the same.
It's just the nothing is going to go back to normal instantly, we've been doing this risk assessment with our management and with the guys in the band for a year now. We have a lot of time to plan things and think about it, and also I think band in our size, we have to spend a lot of time thinking and preparing, because we are not even in a very easy position when things go back to normal enough. Well, let's crack the question in smaller parts. The business: a lot of people will have a huge financial damage, they will lose their companies, lose their income ,there's nothing we can do about that, because it's the second year without shows and the whole music industry is very like... their model of income is very narrow. You're agency, you are promoter - your money comes from gigs, if you are touring band - your money mainly comes from touring and the merch sales, if you are a merchandise company you are relying only for the bands that are touring, you are printing your company, backline company - is the same. A lot of companies! There's no plan B if you are an audio company, backline company, bus rental company and there's no tours, then there's absolutely nothing! So a lot of the businesses are gonna get permanently damaged, but that's the flip side of the coin is, because it's part of the business world, also that means that somebody will take over that spot. There will be new
companies, there will be hopefully the same guys are able to get the new companies running, that would be the best scenario, but anyway somebody will. If there's a venue the company behind the venue goes in the bankruptcy, it doesn't take away the building or the facilities or need for the venue in that city, if the venue was doing well. That means there's enough customers and enough people in the city that they want to see live shows, so when things get back to normal another businesses will take over those places. It doesn't go away,
but naturally it will hurt a lot of people that are part of the industry that we are part of. So it's extremely shitty thing, but it doesn't permanently take away those. But the worrying thing for us, or the bands that are in our size - is the the buffer time, that I guess it's gonna be half a year or almost a year, when things get back to normal. Because now all the huge bands are not touring and they are scheduling their releases. Avenged Sevenfold and Megadeth announced that they're gonna release their albums when the touring comes back, so when the touring comes back it's gonna distort the balance of the sizes of the bands that are touring.
Because you have always... if you divide the year into different parts, you have a six huge stores going on roughly at the same time in the same region. You have Amon Amarth, you have the Amoprhis, Nightwish, Behemoth, but there's always space for smaller stores. But now everybody of those high level bands, they're gonna hit the road as fast as possible.
MP: It's gonna be a traffic jam on the roads! TS: Yeah, and the traffic jam means that... it's not a normal traffic jam! It's a traffic jam of monster trucks! And you are there with your small Fiat or or Nisson, you're gonna get completely run over! That's the same is gonna apply for the releases of the albums. There's only certain amount of albums get the enough attention in the media, with the reviews and interviews, screen time, everything! So it might sound fun for a metal fan that there's gonna be double the amount of albums, but that means that 50 percent of that double are gonna get [ __ ] up, or it's gonna [ __ ] up all the smaller bands! So the buffer time is really what worries me, that we need to be very well-timed and scheduled when we start touring and when we schedule the next album, because it's not going to be normal when it's normal. MP: And in addition to all
of that, people aren't getting any richer and therefore when all those bands are gonna be back on the road they will have to choose. And they will have to choose probably two or three concerts, when before that they could afford five or six during the same period of time! So yes! Unfortunately, all of this madness leads to a chain of events, and, as you said, it's not only the entertainment industry that got hit, all the related industries, a bus renting company, I haven't thought of that, but this is true. They got hit in probably the same way as you guys got, or I got, or anyone else. So this is true, but there is light in the end of the tunnel! TS: It might be a train! MP: Hopefully not! TS: You're talking with the Finnish guy now, so don't expect always the most positive. It's a saying in Finland: "There's always light at the end of the tunnel, it's just time will tell if it's a train". MP: We have the same one in Ukraine,
history taught us a lot of painful lessons. But the good thing about... and this comes to metal in particular, that metaheads cannot imagine their lifes without live concerts. Unlike fans in a lot of other genres who are used to enjoying music online, metalheads are not! And I think the first year showed this. Yes, online events are okay for now, and people will go and purchase tickets for those, but only for a very short period of time. After that everyone will be eager to go back to the real concert and experience the sweat and noise that the real thing produces, man.
And I think this just shows that maybe rock and roll will be able to get back on track a little bit quicker. TS: I'm pretty confident that the metal scene will survive, because it's such a strong community, as you said, compared to a lot of other style of music. So it will get back on its track as soon as it's possible to get that.
The bands will tour anyway, the crew might change, the companies behind the bands, situations with the labels might change, but when the bands are able, they want to play! That's part of the whole thing of why we make music, and the fans want to see us play, so that will come together anyway. So that's the whole core of the metal scene, so that will survive anything, unless we lose electricity or something like that. MP: But that is a possibility! 2020 showed that nothing is impossible. Have you seen that old TV show, not old, it's 10 years old, but there was a TV show about how electricity disappeared in the entire world.
"Revolution" it was called. TS: No, but I really like to watch a lot of dystopia movies and a TV series so... MP: That tv series is no good, but but the concept is there. But you guys just released a new EP Skull Soldiers last week on which in addition to the new songs you've introduced revised version of couple of old ones. While we will be speaking about the new
material in just a little bit, let's start with the latter ones. The acoustic version of Aeron of Cold, how did the idea of it arise and whose idea was it to record it? TS: We've been talking about doing something acoustic for four years now. We get regularly questions of could we do video acoustic or even an album or acoustic show or something. We have a lot of acoustic parts, especially in the in the first few albums, but it never really fit the schedule, because we have been releasing albums very frequently. Sp there was no point of doing this kind of things before, but now the EP was a perfect opportunity to try something out that we wouldn't necessarily put on an album. And I've been aware of Lauri's clean vocal
skills for years now, but also does he have the proper opportunity to really put his vocals on a spotlight? So this it was a lucky coincidence that we were able to do the EP, because if there wouldn't be pandemic we wouldn't be doing any EPs. It wasn't planned but since the plan came to be, they offered the opportunity. I do I mostly composed with the acoustic guitar, I play more acoustic guitar than the regular one nowadays, and we did already have an acoustic show with my other band Sawn of Solace. So I practiced the the arrangements of metal songs in the acoustics ones, and we ended up doing the acoustic streaming show with just me and guitar and the clean vocalist. So I really enjoyed doing very minimalistic versions.
I think it turned out well, and again I'm the wrong person to say, because... MP: If you don't say it turned out well, no one will! You should be the first one to pat yourself on the back! TS: Yeah, but it sounds really good, because sometimes I hear acoustic versions of metal songs with basically the guitar player playing the same [ __ ] with a different instrument. And it doesn't bring anything new out from the song. And it's with Lauri's voice, and the there's only two tracks of guitars, we didn't put any strings or anything like that to make it as desolate as possible and empty enough for his voice to feel it, so it sounds also very honest, it's not overproduced but it's it would be something that we could do on a bonfire with two guitars and his vocals.
MP: It makes sense man, I gotta agree with you, man. I was impressed to hear it, because honestly it sounded like a completely different song. I knew the original version before that, but I was listening to the album...
when was that? two weeks ago when when the label sent the EP? And I was like "Wow this is a cool song", and I'm impressed that you guys did it in an acoustic version. And then I went there and looked and I was like "Oh [ __ ] I know that song!" But actually I didn't recognize it at all ,so if you guys are set to release an acoustic LP at some point, I think this will be received extremely well by the fans. TS: This has been actually kind of a topic lately, because we did like the outcome of this song. And it looks we have a lot of time to focus on the music, again, so I'd rather use that. Ae did already two stream shows, they went well, but we hate to do those. It's so far from the actual
feeling of being on stage, in front of your fans. So we would rather focus on making new music and new even smaller releases with a lot faster tempo songs. I think that would serve our fans better also to get something fresh and new a little bit more frequently, if we are unable to tour until next year. MP: Fans expect, after a certain amount of years that you guys been out there, on the landscape, expect certain style and that's what they want to hear. They don't want to see a complete switch I guess. And you just mentioned the new
material that you guys working on. Something specific already for the new LP? TS: I have seven songs now ready for the next album, and basically half of the album is already pre-produced. Again, a lot of time! I lost about 120 traveling days from last year, and probably from this year, so every third day of my daily schedule is now completely empty. And I really want to keep the band active, it would be very easy just to stop everything, and just wait things to go over, but that doesn't do good for the chemistry in the band. And we did a lot of work, especially during the past three years. We started touring in North America, we started touring in South America, we did Asia, and we were supposed to do our first Headline tour in Europe, we were supposed to go back to North America and South America, and everything stopped in a really bad time.
We kept so many doors open and now things were supposed to go forward. The previous album did hit the charts in six different countries! So we were really amped up, now we just work harder, but now we are actually getting somewhere. And everything stops, so if I would stop the band working completely, I think that wouldn't be a good thing for the mentality in the band. MP: 100 percent. Everyone is trying to be out there on a map of their listeners, and don't disappear for a long time, and I completely understand you that you're this is the time to be productive now. Hopefully you guys will be able to release this and go on tour this year, but not sure if that's possible, obviously no one is at this point. TS: Well, we have my 120 traveling days are already set to calendar for next year! I have the dates, we have tours in at least two continents already confirmed, but the word "confirmed" has lost a lot of the meaning now, so we'll see what happens. But we just
postponed the plans with one year, boosted one year ahead, but nobody knows what's going to happen, so we just wait and see. MP: And if we deviate from the theme of Wolfheart now, man. This is a fun question that I usually ask ,and I'm really interested to hear it from you, given that you were just baking cookies, now really interested man! What is your one musical guilty pleasure? What do you blast when no one is listening, if it's not metal! Britney Spears or Backstreet Boys? TS: There's one song that I don't actively seek... well I've done that also, but it's been my thing for 20... I don't know when it came out, at least over 20 years ago! I have no explanation why I like, that song, why do I get the reaction that I get, but it's it's a very cheesy Euro Techno song called Ecuador from Sash! [Laughter] MP: I love that song! TS: I don't know why! I was doing these rock radio DJ guest things in Finland, and then a lot of the venues played that as an intro song. Venue manager comes and: "When do you go on stage, be five minutes or so, and I'm gonna move one song and then you're on!" MP: That's funny! You know how Metallica is famous they they would put "It's a long way to the top" before hitting the stage? Maybe this one should be yours permanently! Your queue to enter the stage! TS: I think it would lose the charm if it would come too frequently, but I did try that out, I think a half a year ago. I still have
the same reaction - I just can't stop smiling, it's really stupid! MP: It's a great song, maybe you should do a melodic death metal cover on it, I'm just saying! TS: It's not even that good of a song, I occasionally I hear from radio bands like Swedish House Mafia and stuff like that, because I listen to this one radio I got in the car. It's not for the music but for the host that I like to hear it. So I appreciate the level of arrangement and writing of those songs. And Ecuador is not on that level! It's not even that good of a song, it doesn't make any sense. This guy just shouting your name of a country! MP: But that's what makes it amazing, man! TS: That's true! MP: And the next one: can you share and just reminiscent of the old days, and hopefully what will resume very soon, and share one craziest story you got on tour, that you can legally share with us? TS: Since I'm Straight Edge I don't get to do the crazy stuff.
And if I was in the middle of a crazy stuff, it happened to somebody else that doesn't want to be mentioned. So I don't have any crazy stories that I could tell, because I was always the observer. What about the most memorable show for you? TS: I think it has to be the first European festival show for Wolfheart. For a few different reasons. Because the first Wolfheart album was released by myself, I didn't have label, I didn't have any actual proper distribution or promotion, I just needed to have a stop on the music business and labels, and I didn't do it as well as it should have been done. But I did it the way that made me feel good, so that means the promotion sucked! I only had the biggest chain album store in Finland selling that, they also sell huge amount out outside Finland, so it made sense. But I didn't get much of a
media recognition outside of Finland, and I had good relations with the summer festival. It was always my favorite festival when I was playing there with the Before the Dawn or Black Sun Aeon. And I sent the album for the promoter of the festival, and I sent in the email also the link for the album, and I didn't hear anything back. Then I thought that they're too busy, we were really small at that time. MP: It wasn't a band really, it was just you and a couple of session musicians at that point? TS: Yeah, one section guy doing guitar solos, and me doing everything else.
We started playing geeks with the full lineup with session guys. But then I wrote him again an email a few months later just like asking did he get the link and is there any a small stage slot that would be available, and I understand if not, I just wanted to drop the link for the album. And then he replied saying sorry that he hasn't replied earlier, they actually bought the album, they ordered the album from the Finnish store at the office, and been listening to it a lot. And what kind of deal would I be willing to make, that they will want to have the band at the festival. It didn't make much sense for the festival at that point.
To me it was quite a big... well it was a huge favor! Tt was a huge thing for festival of that size! They don't need to ask the bands. Bands will want to play on that festival! It was on the second stage, it was a pretty good day and timing. And again, at that time it was just an album that was never distributed outside Finland. It wasn't even distributed in Finland, I just brought all the boxes to one regular store and there was 5 000 people in the tent. So that was a huge surprise.
And it was a really good time, because things sucked quite badly just before that album came outm that was the reason why I buried all the previous bands, and I didn't really know what to expect. Before the Dawn was going really well with touring and festivals at that point. If you think it that way it was really stupid to end the band, so I didn't know what would happen. And I'm getting to be able to play that kind of festival that early and see that amount of people that was... that was a huge! MP: This is a really cool story, man.
It's it's kind of heartfelt in a way! You know, usually we end the episode with this question, but not this time. And because, as I said, I wanted to speak about some of the new songs you guys recorded for Skull Soldiers, and especially the title track. You've recorded it together with Petro Solovey, who happened to be my town mate, actually from close by. So if you don't mind I'll actually add him to the call, and we'll talk to you guys together. Just dialling him in... but you can talk [ __ ] about him before he joins! TS: Actually I never talked directly with him! MP: Petro, how are you? PS: How are you? I'm okay enough! TS: I told Vladyslav I was making keto brownies, and I forgot the interview. MP: This is, I think, the coolest non-metal reason to miss an interview ever. TS: I don't agree, but
that happened. MP: Alright, guys! I'm conscious of everyone's time, so if you guys don't mind, could you just speak a little bit about how did this concept... Tuomas, maybe you to start with... how did this concept of a collaboration with a Ukrainian band and featuring a Ukrainian artist come about? TS: We had the cover competition, I think it was last summer. We were asking bands and artists, different artists in different genres of art.
And there was even light designers doing a live show on an empty venue for the song! So we wanted to have a huge variety of cover songs, and we really tried not to have a a metal one. But the Wolfanger cover of our song Ashes was just too good to be missed! I was really impressed by the vocals, they also made a video, it wasn't just a play through kind of thing, the video mood was very good! It's very important to me, the the visual side also, it's not the visuals that always goes hand in hand with the music. So they, I think, they understood the song really well. But the vocals were what really stood out. And then we started talking. We've been talking somehow frequently after that, so I wasn't planning originally, but when we were doing the EP, it had a very good slot for guest vocals. And a lot of my co-workers in my main job, that is landscaping, most of my co-workers are Ukrainian, being that for 20 years now! A piece of ukrainian sounds so much more aggressive than 99 of the population of the world! MP: I'm not sure if it's a compliment, but I'll take it! TS: In this concept - yeah it is! And I think that it is a very cool, way aggressive language.
And having that added to the album, it's kind of a heist, another level that I wouldn't be able to do with my vocals, because English has a very clear structure, and everybody is feeling familiar with English. You can't do it differently. There's only one way to do English. MP: So Petro, were you the one who wrote the lyrics? And as I understand it stayed deliberately in Ukrainian to to underline the sharpness and differences? PS: It's Tumoas' idea to make Ukrainian part, I just translated the parts of the song to Ukrainian, but I had to delete the little parts of the lyrics, because it it didn't sound good. MP: And how was it working together? Did you exchange files over internet? As I understand you haven't met each other. TS: This is the first time, [Music] we kind of meet, so no! But yeah, exchanging files.
But it was super easy and straightforward, because I wouldn't need to tell him what to do with the vocals anyway. It wouldn't be... there's a saying in Finland "You don't teach your father how to [ __ ]"! MP: Well that's a very strong compliment for Petro. TS: Well, if you put it the other way around: why would you have somebody do anything on your music or album, if you need to hold their hand through the whole process? We're gonna have people who are to add something up with their thing, and that's the thing you wanna have on the album, not something that you'd tell them to do.
So I think he was more worried than I. I was just waiting to get the files and get it mixed. I knew this! You can hear from somebody's voice or playing instantly what the quality is, so it was super easy. MP: Nice, and Petro, as I understand you were a fan of Wolfheart from before PS: Sure, when I first heard the album Shadow World I was just stunned. It was really cool! I still listen it over and over again, and other releases too! MP: What are some of the biggest musical influences for you personally? Where do you dig your inspiration from when it comes to writing new material for Wolfheart? TS: I'm pretty sure it goes a little bit differently than most of the guitar players that I know, at least because I don't follow or idolize massive guitar players at all. I love drummers, I watch all the drum videos from YouTube,
at least most! I'm very active of checking what's happening with the drum scene, and I have a lot of people that I very frequently follow. MP: Can you share some names of who those are? Who are, do you think, the biggest experts for you personally? TS: I don't know his name now, but he's this Spanish guy with a huge beard, and he plays metal covers with one bass, drum, snare, floor, tom, and that's it! That's it! And he's been rising, he's one of the biggest rising YouTube stars at the moment, but the level of his playing is also in completely different world. But one drummer that I really enjoy is Annika Niels, she is a Scandinavian female drummer. And I really like the certain extreme drummers: Neil's Dominator, Dark Funeral and a few others. But there's a lot. MP: Makes sense, man.
And in terms of the bands, where do you look for sound inspirations? Any particular bands you can outline? TS: Not really, since I started making albums... it's now almost 20 years ago, I started steering towards this low tuning. Trying to detune the regular guitar, and and make the sound deeper and deeper. And
then I was introduced with the very low soundings instruments, so I feel like trying to develop my own sound, that I don't really find from a lot of other bands. At the moment all our instruments strings are baritone or customized or other way. For example, if we would be flying to europe to festival and the flight company would lose our guitars, there's a good chance we wouldn't be able to play, because we need the very specific tuning and tools to handle the tuning. So it's more of what my year has been - trying to find in music in general this very unique sound. I don't know any other band that is playing melodic death metal in G tuning. MP: That's true actually, now that I'm thinking
about it, and it's a very unique sound you guys have. TS: It's a very a tricky combination when it comes to arranging the instruments, because when everything is producing that low frequencies, you don't fit the same amount of tracks and ideas. You need to be very careful, because otherwise you will lose the headroom in the mix.
If you add up too much bottom and bass at low frequencies, it doesn't sound powerful anymore. And then playing that kind of instrument with those kind of tempos is also a completely different thing than as a regular guitar. My thickest rings are bigger than the highest strings on the five-string bass! MP: Really? TS: Yeah, you play guitar! My biggest string is 80. MP: That's crazy, man.
TS: And being able to do the fast picking with 2040 piece per minute stuff, you need to arrange the riffs differently also, to make them stand out. So I've been trying to develop my sound into this combination of as low tuning as possible which still actually sounded like music. I haven't really found that in other bands. I can't remember where did it start, why did I want to do that... it was Black Sun Aeon, I believe, this project where I wanted to do as low as possible. And then with that band I run out with the
tunings with the regular instruments, and I started having customized baritones. My newest custom is even longer than a regular baretone. So I'm able to play in G tuning without any issues, I could even go a drop lower from the G, but it wouldn't make any sense, because there's no base in the world that would match it. MP: That's true, that'll be too much. And in terms of mixing, as you said,
it would be a headache crazy. And who is actually mixing for you guys? TS: Most of the times there's two studios that I've been using for the past 10* years. SoundSpiral Audio is the one that mostly mixes, but now this other studio that we use for recording has done some mixing boards, and has mixed the forthcoming Dawn of Solace album. And that's called Deep Noise Studios.
And there's a Saudi engineer in the SoundSpiral who has been mixing my albums, also played in Before the Dawn, has been touring with us, he's actually playing in the latest music video, so he's our main guy. If we need a session guitar we ask him, he's already part of the band, because he's always doing studio work, he does. So it's been easy to develop the sound working with the same guys and it's not just me doing that alone, but there's a lot of a planning and discussion on how we make the next album sound the way we want to make. And what needs to be considered, and we go through everything from the strings to different set of schemes for the drums, what would be the best combinations. So it's a team effort, with the same guys trying to push the same vision a little bit more forward with each album.
MP: Makes sense. And in terms of, if there would be one band, or one tour that you think Wolfheart would sound absolutely amazing with, who would you go, if anyone would be available at that moment? Whom do you think Wolfheart would sound amazing on stage with? TS: Are you trying to imply that there are occasions we don't sound amazing? MP: No, I'm just saying that if you would be on the same stage with those guys who sing Ecuador, this would be strange at the very least. TS: It would sound very heavy! It's a very complex question, there's so many point of views, touring with them would make us the heaviest band of the evening easily! [Laughter] But yeah, I don't know. There's always different aspects: one of them is - which band's audience we would to play? And that feel we would really want to play with the band a Amon Amarth! They have a huge audience, and it would be pretty good fit for our style, but in my opinion we would do it better than them. So it would be
the approach everybody needs to have. You always challenge the other bands! Not that you think that you are better, but you work hard enough, so you could be the better! You don't ever decide! The audience will decide anyway! Doesn't matter what your attitude is, the only thing you can do is work harder than the others, or at least try, but I would be able to play for their audience, and let them decide who is better. That would be a good opportunity and good challenge for us! But otherwise I would really like to tour with At The Gates. If they would play Slaughter of the Soul fully from the beginning to the end, then I could get to play to their audience, and get to see the show every day! MP: You'll be in a front row at the same time! This is fun! This is actually... the approach you just mentioned, that Steve Harris was talking about. When he did everything he could
to go on tour with Judas Priest in 1982, because the the audience of Judas Priest, who were extremely famous at that point already, and Iron Maiden are very similar. It's pretty much the same fan base. And the Steve actually spoke about how he really wanted to challenge Priest at that point, who were on the rise, and show them that they can do it differently, but not in a worse or better way, it's just a different approach to heavy metal that they can take, and engage their audience. So I completely understand where that comes from, and I actually I think this is the absolute right thing to do, man. Perfect, Tuomas, thank you so much for your time, man. I don't
want to keep you here forever, it's been some time now, so any last message for the fans? Anything you want to share with them? TS: Just hold on tight, we will come back when we can come back. MP: Hopefully this will be sooner than later! And hopefully I personally will be able to catch you guys live somewhere on the road! I've never seen you liveM I'll be honest with you. And I always say that I cannot truly appreciate a band unless I see them in person, and I really hope that I'll get TO CATCH you guys either in Ukraine or somewhere else in Europe, I get to travel a lot during the regular non-pandemic times. TS: We do have a date for Ukraine also! But who knows, we'll see what happens. MP: If this happens, we'd love to welcome you guys and show you around, and enjoy the show. If not, hopefully we'll see each other in a following year after that. Perfect, Tuomas, thank you so much for
your time. Again, just as a reminder for everyone who's gonna be watching us, the Wolfheart's EP Skull Soldier is already out via Napalm Records, make sure you check it out, it's a it's a great one, it's a fun one, it takes a very interesting take and approach on the older material, yet produces some new one at the same time. And we will stay tuned for the new material of Wolfheart to come! Thank you so much man and keep rocking! TS: Thank you!